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2004-10-15 Iraq-Jordan
Nuke equipment removed by professionals in Iraq: diplomats
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Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-10-15 2:35:02 AM|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Riddle me this...

What the fuck is/was nuke equippment doing in Iraq, when there was no WMD or WMD potential there?

It simply does not compute. Either there was WMD danger, or there was not. It can't be both ways.
Posted by Memesis 2004-10-15 5:48:37 AM||   2004-10-15 5:48:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 ???? what's your point?? Bush-Hitler lied and people died! America is bad! Illegal War! Peace in our Time!! squawk, squawk.

Posted by leftie lemming 2004-10-15 5:56:32 AM||   2004-10-15 5:56:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 LL, you forgotten to add a bit of some meaningfull elucidation like:

"The characteristic theme of Reicher's[6] essay on Batailleist `powerful communication' is a precultural reality. Therefore, Debord uses the term 'constructivism' to denote not situationism as such, but subsituationism. An abundance of discourses concerning dialectic neomaterialist theory may be revealed.

But the subject is interpolated into a materialist materialism that includes truth as a totality. Constructivism implies that society, ironically, has intrinsic meaning.

However, the subject is contextualised into a dialectic paradigm of context that includes sexuality as a paradox. Lacan uses the term 'constructivism' to denote the bridge between sexual identity and society. Thus, Dietrich[7] suggests that we have to choose between Batailleist `powerful communication' and precapitalist sublimation. Baudrillard's model of materialist materialism states that the goal of the participant is social comment."
Posted by Memesis 2004-10-15 6:09:10 AM||   2004-10-15 6:09:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 well, I would have, but I didn't know how to spell cognitive dissidence.
Posted by leftie l 2004-10-15 6:13:27 AM||   2004-10-15 6:13:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 LOL!
Posted by Memesis 2004-10-15 6:16:13 AM||   2004-10-15 6:16:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Poor me! All this time I've thought the term was cognitive dissonance. I'm so confused - and embarrassed.
Posted by .com 2004-10-15 7:20:37 AM||   2004-10-15 7:20:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 .com! That was so underhanded! Liquid warning please! I am lucky I have a spare keyboard!

:-)
Posted by Memesis 2004-10-15 7:26:56 AM||   2004-10-15 7:26:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 One of my fav pix, heh.
Posted by .com 2004-10-15 7:59:08 AM||   2004-10-15 7:59:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 What about us cognitive dissidents?
Posted by whitecollar redneck 2004-10-15 8:36:43 AM||   2004-10-15 8:36:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Well, I figure you won't be able to accurately comprehend your external inputs, will initially seize up like a neural vapor lock and, when that inferential pressure differential dissipates, you'll be able to cover boths sides of the argument all by yourself, right?

*snicker*
Posted by .com 2004-10-15 8:49:07 AM||   2004-10-15 8:49:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I thought that was a social disease, red.
Posted by Deacon Blues  2004-10-15 8:49:36 AM||   2004-10-15 8:49:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I think they're preparing the ground for blaming the US if Iraqi WMD actually show up or are used somewhere.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-10-15 8:56:47 AM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2004-10-15 8:56:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 My opinion on the "missing" equipment, since it's gone missing since the invasion, is that it's on its way to a US warehouse in Tennessee for eventual disposal, just like the Libyan nuclear program.

I haven't got any proof of that, but the fact that BUILDINGS have disappeared and that the US and Iraqi governments are both so non-chalant and non-committal about it makes me think they're involved.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-10-15 9:08:41 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-10-15 9:08:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm with RC - we wouldn't have missed this op and stayed nonplussed about it
Posted by Frank G  2004-10-15 9:19:36 AM||   2004-10-15 9:19:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Anyone for a slice of October slice pie?
Posted by Johnnie Bartlette 2004-10-15 10:00:38 AM||   2004-10-15 10:00:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 that would be cool. It would also explain the squawking from the Russians and why the UN members are scrambling like dogs on linoleum to be the first to get to a microphone on this issue.
Posted by 2b 2004-10-15 10:08:11 AM||   2004-10-15 10:08:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 But, but, none of this crap was supposed to have existed!!!!
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-10-15 11:26:11 AM||   2004-10-15 11:26:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 I certainly hope RC is right - 'gotcha' games about cognitive dissonance are great fun, but this is a huge screw-up if it wasn't us dismantling those buildings. Why would we do it so quietly and choose to take 18 months of needless "no WMD" heat, though? I'm not Machiavellian enough to figure out the upside of that - probably couldn't spell it, either.
Posted by VAMark 2004-10-15 11:35:58 AM||   2004-10-15 11:35:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Nuclear Equipment - Retrofitted by John Edwards' legal colleagues to be used fot spinal cord injury cures...
Posted by BigEd 2004-10-15 12:26:01 PM||   2004-10-15 12:26:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Why would we do it so quietly and choose to take 18 months of needless "no WMD" heat, though?

First, doing it quietly keeps it out of the press, which means jihadis wouldn't know there were trucks full of nuclear materials driving along Iraq's highways.

Second, doing it quietly avoids setting off any hyper-nationalist "we should be ALLOWED to have nukes" sense among the Iraqis.

Thirdly, it avoids getting the IAEA entangled in the mess. They're incompetent to the point of making you wonder if it's intentional. Their likely reaction to any open "let's get this out of there" plan would be to stomp their feet and insist that since the material's "under seal" it's not going anywhere.

Finally, everyone knew Iraq had a nuclear program and lots of equipment and materials hanging around. It didn't and wouldn't have changed the "no WMD" lies one bit -- consider that various bioweapon cultures found in one of Saddam's researcher's fridge didn't make a dent in the "no WMD" lie.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-10-15 1:16:29 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-10-15 1:16:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Thanks, RC. Makes a lot of sense, and doesn't even bring Macchiavelli into it.
Posted by VAMark 2004-10-15 1:27:44 PM||   2004-10-15 1:27:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Bet RC got it, and like VAM implies, sometimes you just gotta do the right thing even if it won't help ya.
Posted by Shipman 2004-10-15 2:18:57 PM||   2004-10-15 2:18:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 I bet the stuff was just looted, bashed to bits and sold for scrap. The IAEA is a bunch of dickless clowns.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom  2004-10-15 8:19:28 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-10-15 8:19:28 PM|| Front Page Top

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