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2005-10-13 Britain

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-10-13 04:55|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I'm a card carrying atheist and I strongly support the USA led WoT. CoE clerics who have more or less dispensed with the notion of God and are now searching for relevance in half baked 'progressive' causes really piss me off. Isn't there a quote from Shakespeare about 'meddling priests'?

Posted by phil_b 2005-10-13 05:18|| 2005-10-13 05:18|| Front Page Top

#2 You got a card? *sniff* All I got was this lousy t-shirt that sez "Cake or Death?"

Posted by .com 2005-10-13 05:20|| 2005-10-13 05:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Moribund kiddy fidlers, desperately trying to court controversy in order to pretend they have some relevence in UK society.

Posted by pihkalbadger 2005-10-13 05:28|| 2005-10-13 05:28|| Front Page Top

#4 kiddy fidlers lol.

bathhouse bishops
the petting priestly pedophiles
prelates of fellatio

sad, the Church of England has seen better days.

Posted by Hupaimble Omavise6770 2005-10-13 06:05|| 2005-10-13 06:05|| Front Page Top

#5 All I got was this lousy t-shirt that sez "Cake or Death?"

I thought "Cake or Death" was the Anglican slogan.

As for these bishops -- wake me when they start preaching Christianity again. I expect a muezzin will be giving the call from the Canterbury ~~Cathedral~~ Mosque long before then.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-10-13 07:39|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-10-13 07:39|| Front Page Top

#6 A lampoon of them, indeed, originating with Monty Python (Eric Idle with the clipboard in Life of Brian) then followed up much later by Eddie Izzard in a great stand-up routine. Both were wicked parody, in fact, of the pooftas. :)

Posted by .com 2005-10-13 07:44|| 2005-10-13 07:44|| Front Page Top

#7 I could suggest some *things* to be done to the bishops, except that they are probably doing it to each other and liking it too ...

Posted by Cleting Jomotch9068 2005-10-13 08:32|| 2005-10-13 08:32|| Front Page Top

#8 Lol, CJ. I suspect you're right, lol.

Posted by .com 2005-10-13 08:38|| 2005-10-13 08:38|| Front Page Top

#9 The fools have lost their flock and their religion so they venture boldly into politics as the unelected learned elders of an archaic religious anomoly. They do so need to be beaten down in a pointed and brutal torrent of words. Nasty hypocrits playing at pseudo "progressives". Methinks they should really consider preparing their full public apology before calling upon others to do so for acting in self-defense (and for and to the Bishops' own benefit I might add). Ungrateful idiots all of them.

Posted by MunkarKat 2005-10-13 09:31|| 2005-10-13 09:31|| Front Page Top

#10 If they're within 2000NM, have the Coasties search em, stem to stern.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2005-10-13 10:39|| 2005-10-13 10:39|| Front Page Top

#11 Buffoons like this make me laugh. It just reminds me that more and more Anglicans in the US are not Episcopalians, but are properly Anglicans, belonging to African missionary churches.

The thought of some black African missionary in a giant, cast-iron kettle, being cooked for a feast by a tribe of cannibalistic liberal heathens in "Whitest America"...

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-10-13 10:40|| 2005-10-13 10:40|| Front Page Top

#12 These same hypocrites are the reason Prince Charles, as titular head of the Church of England, had to marry Camilla in a civil ceremony!

Posted by Danielle 2005-10-13 10:43|| 2005-10-13 10:43|| Front Page Top

#13 In fact they were the cause Charles did not marry Camilla when he was young and instead went in a disastrous marriage with Diana (IMHO a first class bitch and a greedy one) who did so much dammage to monarchy's prestige that I doubt it will last for long.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2005-10-13 12:07|| 2005-10-13 12:07|| Front Page Top

#14 Funny you should mention Charlie, see this (much more has been said about this particular
"conspiracy theory" bit,which might even be true; he's supposed to have converted in Turkey, btw, probably to sufism) :

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/119
Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam?
November 9, 2003
Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam? In a 1997 Middle East Quarterly article titled "Prince Charles of Arabia," Ronni L. Gordon and David M. Stillman looked at evidence that Britain's Prince Charles might be a secret convert to Islam. They shifted through his public statements (defending Islamic law, praising the status of Muslim women, seeing in Islam a solution for Britain's ailments) and actions (setting up a panel of twelve "wise men" to advise him on Islamic religion and culture), then concluded that, "should Charles persist in his admiration of Islam and defamation of his own culture," his accession to the throne will indeed usher in a "different kind of monarchy."

All this comes to mind on reading an article titled "Charles Breaks Fast with the Faithful in Muscat" in today's Dubai-based Gulf News, which reports on some of Charles' activities during his current five-day visit to Oman:

He toured the Sultan Qaboos Grand Mosque for almost two hours and "took keen interest in studying various sections at the mosque, including the main prayer hall." As his spokesman put it, "The Prince was particularly keen to come to the mosque today to see the fantastic building and remarkable architecture which Prince was fascinated with. The Prince has a great love for Islamic architecture and I can't think of finer example than this mosque."
He "spent a considerable time at an exhibition of Islamic calligraphy and held meetings with Sheikha Aisha Al Siaby, Head of Public Authority for Craft Industries and Taha Al Kisri, the Head of Omani Society for Fine Arts to discuss various aspects of Islamic art."
He "broke fast with a large congregation of people from different nationalities as he sat with folded legs on the floor in the open. He ate date and drank juice at the call of Iftar."
None of this, of course, is evidence that the Heir to the British Throne has changed religions, but his actions most certainly would be consistent with such a move, and especially the implication that he had kept the Ramadan fast. (November 9, 2003)

Dec. 18, 2004 update: Prince Charles put himself in the middle of an Islamic theological issue that again could suggest his conversion to Islam â for if that is not the case, then on what basis does he opine on the Islamic law requiring that apostates from Islam be executed? Jonathan Petre of London's Daily Telegraph reports on a private summit of Christian and Muslim leaders at Clarence House on this topic sponsored earlier in December by the prince. Apparently, however, he did not get the results he hoped for, with one Christian participant indicating that Charles was "very, very unhappy" about its outcome. That may have been because the Muslims at the meeting resented his public involvement in this topic.

July 14, 2005 update: And what does the good prince have to say about the murder by Islamists of 55 in London a week ago? He put fingers to keyboard and produced "True Muslims Must Root Out The Extremists" for the Mirror.

some deeply evil influence has been brought to bear on these impressionable young minds. â¦ Some may think this cause is Islam. It is anything but. It is a perversion of traditional Islam. As I understand it, Islam preaches humanity, tolerance and a sense of community. â¦ these acts have nothing to do with any true faith. â¦ it is vital that everyone resists the temptation to condemn the Muslim community for the actions of such a tiny and evil minority. If we succumb to that temptation, the bombers will have achieved their aim. Likewise, in my view, it is the duty of every true Muslim to condemn these atrocities and root out those among them who preach and practise such hatred and bitterness.

Comment: This sounds to me like the same apologetics churned out by the Muslim Council of Britain and other Islamist bodies.

Aug. 2, 2005 update: At the funeral of King Fahd in Riyadh, the Associated Press reports, "Non-Muslims were not allowed at the ceremonies." So far as I can tell, Charles did not attend the ceremonies. (There surely would have been a press uproar if he had.) We can conclude that whatever his inner faith, he is not presenting himself as a Muslim in public.

Sept. 4, 2005 update: Prince Charles revealed in a letter leaked to the Daily Telegraph that he had strained relations with George Carey, then archbishop of Canterbury, over his attitude toward Islam. Particularly contentious was his expressed intent, on becoming king and supreme governor of the Church of England, to ditch the centuries' old defender of the faith title and replace it with defender of faith and defender of the Divine. The letter reveals the archbishop's reaction.

I wish you'd been there for the archbishop! Didn't really appreciate what I was getting at by talking about "the Divine" and felt that I had said far more about Islam than I did about Christianity - and was therefore worried about my development as a Christian.

According to royal aides, Charles did not much respect Lord Carey's views and the feelings were reciprocated.

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-10-13 13:55|| 2005-10-13 13:55|| Front Page Top

#15 anonymous5089: Charles vs. Arch~~druid~~bishop Carey? Now, that's a Celebrity Death Match I would pay to see.

Posted by Xbalanke 2005-10-13 15:39|| 2005-10-13 15:39|| Front Page Top

#16 Isn't Charles a graduate of some prestigious military school and had a stint in some kind of high profile active duty military unit? That would seem to fit a royal male family member curriculum vitae.

If so, even if Charles is a sufi and has been known to talk to vegetable, he should dispatch the Archdruid pretty easily, should they ditch it out in a no-holds barred mixed martial-arts octagon-style ultimate fighting bout. I'd pay to see this (or at least search it in Emule).

Posted by anonymous5089 2005-10-13 16:21|| 2005-10-13 16:21|| Front Page Top

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