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2006-10-12 China-Japan-Koreas
Ruskies and ChiComs Block US-Led NoKo Cargo Inspection
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Posted by Captain America 2006-10-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 RUSSIA and China are blocking an American plan to mount international inspections of all cargoes entering and leaving North Korea for fear of provoking a military showdown.

that should read "for fear of" unraveling counterfeit US currency & conventional weapons blackmarket...methinks

Don't we have a participation PSI agreement with these states which allows us to inspect suspected cargo?
Not sure but if we don't we should
Posted by Dunno 2006-10-12 00:16||   2006-10-12 00:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Would be embarrassing to have inspected NK drugs, counterfeit and weapons exports via Russia and China to the world's worst dictatorships.
Posted by ed 2006-10-12 00:22||   2006-10-12 00:22|| Front Page Top

#3 If Russia and China want to block the enforcement of a ban on exports of nuclear weapons, then they should each designate one of their cities to be nuked as part of the response to the first North Korean manufactured nuclear weapon that explodes outside of North Korea. If they are going to facilitate nuclear terror, then they should be willing to pay the price.
Posted by RWV 2006-10-12 00:23||   2006-10-12 00:23|| Front Page Top

#4 Russia and China oppose extending the sanctions to luxury goods, as Washington has proposed...

What luxury goods are they? I prefer my foie gras to be made from ducks, not actual grass. Oh, you meant luxury goods going into the workers paradise?

Dunno's right - they're bottling it in case they get found out.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-10-12 00:24||   2006-10-12 00:24|| Front Page Top

#5 Kimmy's Hennesy
Posted by 3dc 2006-10-12 01:07||   2006-10-12 01:07|| Front Page Top

#6 RWV's idea gets my vote.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-10-12 01:11|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2006-10-12 01:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Sounds good we could never have really garanteed intradiction of the Uranium anyway or its tech.

I say just tell the Chicoms that we consider the Norks as thier pit bull thier proxy thier problem. Very simply that if any Nork tech or uranium ends up going boom in either a US city or any of our allies that they will share with the Norks the Retribution from US.

The Chicoms wont risk nuclear anialation for some petty cash a terrorist or 3rd world dictator will pay the Norks for it. The only people that can control the Norks is China we shoud force them to do it.

I would also throw a threat in thier that our pit bull Tiawan may just decide to go nuclear as well.
Posted by C-Low 2006-10-12 01:41||   2006-10-12 01:41|| Front Page Top

#8 I'll second RWV's motion.

I would also throw a threat in thier that our pit bull Tiawan may just decide to go nuclear as well.

Ahem. Taiwan is not "our pit bull". They just happen to be a peaceful democratic nation who is the world's eighteenth economy with one fiftieth of China's population and one tenth of the PRC's Gross Domestic Product.

That might make them an economic powerhouse and standard bearer for democracy, but hardly our pit bull. A candidate for acquiring nuclear weapons? Most definitely. But let's leave playing the pit bull to Kim Jong Il.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-12 03:08||   2006-10-12 03:08|| Front Page Top

#9 As a final aside; Wouldn't it be ever so tragic if North Korea suddenly began to lose all of its maritime traffic at sea? With their shortage of funds, all of their vessels must be tragically behind schedule for overhauling.

IT WOULD GIVE OUR SUBS SOME NICE TARGET PRACTICE TOO!
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-12 03:12||   2006-10-12 03:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Remember what I wrote about judging people by what they do instead of what they say? Like I said earlier, North Korea is China's Rottweiler.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-10-12 04:53|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2006-10-12 04:53|| Front Page Top

#11 With China it's trust through verification, repeated verification. North Korea is China's puppet; RWV's idea has merit. It would short circuit plenty of BS.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-10-12 07:34|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2006-10-12 07:34|| Front Page Top

#12 All they can block is putting the UN's Stamp of Imaginary Legitimacy on the plan. The plan makes perfect sense and we should just fucking do it. Period. This is important. Bush is playing by The UN Rules, for the moment, as he always has. That will change if he believes the threat is too great to accept this phoney tantrum from Kimmie, Putty, and Whu.
Posted by .com 2006-10-12 07:41||   2006-10-12 07:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Time to "Cowboy Up."
Posted by doc 2006-10-12 07:55||   2006-10-12 07:55|| Front Page Top

#14 My appologies RWV, I didn't read the whole comment string before posting. I just posted. Was not trying to bite on your commment.

Thats pretty wierd reading back this morning seeing my comment was nearly identical to yours with just the dog analogy added. Hay "great minds think alike" I guess. Either way I should have read all the comments to avoid such mistakes.
Posted by C-Low 2006-10-12 09:08||   2006-10-12 09:08|| Front Page Top

#15 The NKors are evil but not stupid. If some of their ships disappear on the high seas with no explanation they'll take action. I suspect their ships are also rigged with suitable comm gear; even if you torpedo the sucker they'll have a few seconds to send a coded message and that's all it takes.

While it wouldn't bother me at all to 'disappear' NKor ships loaded with contraband, we need to be smart about this. Exception -- an NKor ship known to be transporting a nuke or fissible material DOES get disappeared, no question and no talking about it afterwards.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-10-12 10:20||   2006-10-12 10:20|| Front Page Top

#16 Why do we bother with the UN? Just tell them we'll be willing to talk some more when they are willing to get real.
Posted by Sleaper Thraviter2776 2006-10-12 10:59||   2006-10-12 10:59|| Front Page Top

#17 We will continue to play the game in the civilized way; UN sanctions and debates and the occasional strongly worded condemnation. Therefore, the world will continue down the slippery slope into chaos and world war.
One way to put an end to the incrimental spiral into defeat is to outfox them. I would form a group of civilized powers to take out NorKor's ships at sea. No names, no questions, just a war of attritian against their ability to trade war materials. It would be good to warn other nations that ships leaving SoKor would be fine, but ships leaving NorKor would not pass GO.
My proposal is totally against civilized norms, but I see us killing ourselves to defend civility.
That's what the activity to date has yielded; increases in terrorism and nuclear activity incrimentally as we use predictable, ineffective countermeasures.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-12 11:22||   2006-10-12 11:22|| Front Page Top

#18 Well, if they won't agree, we'll just have to do it our way. Capture or sink all traffic within 3 miles of NK on the Yellow Sea, Sea of Japan...

...and the Yalu river.
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2006-10-12 11:30|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2006-10-12 11:30|| Front Page Top

#19 the UN's Stamp of Imaginary Legitimacy

That is a phrase to be added to the Rantburg Standard Lexicon. Nice acronym too: SOIL
Posted by SteveS 2006-10-12 11:37||   2006-10-12 11:37|| Front Page Top

#20 Big surprise. Just parting the curtain a bit farther. We can see the real opponents; same as the old opponents. Russia & China use Muzzies as clients of provocation. Muzzies use Hezbs and Hamas. Putie must be congratulating himself on how clever he really is.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-12 11:55||   2006-10-12 11:55|| Front Page Top

#21 Pirates Steve. Hoist the Jolly Rumsfeld ya scurvy cur.
Posted by ed 2006-10-12 13:04||   2006-10-12 13:04|| Front Page Top

#22 Better let the Brits handle the pirate action, Americans have ever made piss poor bucanneers, while our buds seem to thrive on it.

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-12 18:33||   2006-10-12 18:33|| Front Page Top

#23 We do rather well at posses, however.
Posted by lotp 2006-10-12 18:42||   2006-10-12 18:42|| Front Page Top

#24 Posses get to ride horses - fast, exciting and frontierish. Course Posses without horses tend to be portrayed as Lynch Mobs, you can easily see the utility of the hoss here.
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-12 18:57||   2006-10-12 18:57|| Front Page Top

#25 Hosses = good.
Posted by lotp 2006-10-12 19:18||   2006-10-12 19:18|| Front Page Top

#26 Drop the spans over the Yalu, rail, road, pipes and power.

Then an embargo isnt that hard - NKor would run out of fuel, food and thier powergrid woudl permanently collapse well before those spans could be restored.
Posted by Oldspook 2006-10-12 19:20||   2006-10-12 19:20|| Front Page Top

#27 Ya' know...I can't help but think that Japan may well truly take the lead in this - and that's not necessarily a good thing.

Not too long ago there was a book called "The Coming War With Japan" about a resurgent Japan clashing with the US. The author was none other than George Friedman (name?) of StrategyPage fame.

Much of the book was scarey accurate.

Despite the fact that Japan is our ally and close friend today, they may not always remain so. I have visions of Japanese carriers flying the rising sun flag in the not to distant future.

I also have visions of a Japanese-style war against the NorKs merchant marine in the Nazi style along the US coast just prior to WW2.

These are not nice visions...though they do have som good parts to them...due to the inevitable consequences IMO.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg  2006-10-12 21:53|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com]  2006-10-12 21:53|| Front Page Top

#28 A "military showdown" in the Pacific will inevitably occur when one, NORTH KOREA/NORTH KOREA = CHINA? fires a nuclear-tipped missle(s)at Hawaii, West Coast-ALCAN, JAPAN or even GUAM; or Second, iff China attacks TAIWAN, andor third, iff JAPAN = SOUTH KOREA, etal. GO NUCLEAR. PRO-CHICOM bloggers > sev want America-Euros-West out of Asia + Pacific + desire to see China dominate East Asia, inclduing but limited to a [minima]CHINESE-CONTROLLED CHINA-JAPAN-KOREAS SOCIALIST AXIS.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-10-12 22:26||   2006-10-12 22:26|| Front Page Top

#29 Meds, Joe...meds are good...

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg  2006-10-12 22:33|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com]  2006-10-12 22:33|| Front Page Top

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