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2006-10-06 Britain
UK: Boy snatched off street, set alight and murdered for being white
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Posted by lotp 2006-10-06 11:04|| || Front Page|| [11146 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 what scum they are.
Posted by PlanetDan 2006-10-06 11:15||   2006-10-06 11:15|| Front Page Top

#2 Set them alight and burn them slowly for being assholes.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2006-10-06 11:23||   2006-10-06 11:23|| Front Page Top

#3 EU, why don't you wait as they kill all of your 15 year olds, and wait more while they kill all of your 14 year olds, and wait again while they kill all of your 13 year olds ?
The writing's on the wall. READ IT !
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-06 11:31||   2006-10-06 11:31|| Front Page Top

#4 There will be a straw that breaks the camel's back. Muslims who wish to live in western societies need not only to speak out but to take steps to rid the monsters in their midst. They better hurry. I can feel a change in the winds.
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 11:32||   2006-10-06 11:32|| Front Page Top

#5 Anti-white racism is the elephant in the room of the West, and beyond (think the ethnic purification in africa, where whitey is being driven out... all the while africans pour into Europe and the USA... and before that, it was north africa).

Still, as the narratives are made by progressists (aka neo-marxists, cultural marxists, gramscists), whitey cannot be a victim, he can only be the oppressor, the racist, the aggressor, the bully, a guilt-inducing set of memes aimed at pursuing the "culture war" (IE the destruction of western civilization), but which also comforts the hatred and racism third worlders may have toward whites and/or westerners.
So, this anti-white racism doesn't exist for the PC ideology, and thus it is tacitly acceptable. In fact, it is even "in", in some circles; hating whitey is hating the devil who has done so much harm ("the white man is the cancer of the world").

There's a terrible resentment against the West/the Christian White Middle-class Male, and islam is its vanguard, and increasingly will be, as "progresssist" and "third worldists" and all will switch to it.
http://olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/Hesperophobia.htm

http://www.olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/HesperophobiaContinued.htm

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-06 11:32||   2006-10-06 11:32|| Front Page Top

#6 Don't lie down and be slaughtered like sheep.
Posted by ed 2006-10-06 11:33||   2006-10-06 11:33|| Front Page Top

#7 Don't lie down and be slaughtered like sheep.

Why do you imagine :

- the progressists do all they can to restrict access to firearms, which are the greatest equalizers in term of combat ("God created small men, God created big men, but Samuel Colt made them all equal")?

- the devirilization (Kim Du Toit would say pussification or feminization) of western men, starting with boys, is a long time goal of progressists?

This is so true in tranzi EU; who do you think fill the boxing, kickboxing, muy thai,... clubs, while the others do judo? Who get their weapons straight from albania or kosovo, while the others can at best get a hunting shotgun (with hunting being a big no-no, of course)? In Europe, who own the street, really? Who has to step down from the sidewalk when he crosses a group of the "others"? Who does razzias (mugging, rapes, looting,...), and who terrorizes who (by destroying public property, marking his environment with tags, setting cars, trasbins, on fire,....)?
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-06 11:40||   2006-10-06 11:40|| Front Page Top

#8 murdering anyone because of their race is horribly wrong. The murderer should be punished.

And this has nothing to do with the WOT, and doesnt belong in this section.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-06 11:55||   2006-10-06 11:55|| Front Page Top

#9 The people doing this should take a look at post-colonial Africa. This has been going on for a long time. The famous quote in the 60's from an African "freedom fighter" that "Uhuru means we take the white man's house, his women, his land" sums up the objective. Rhodesia Zimbabwe sums up the result. Americans, at least, need to stand up and say that they are the pinnacle of human civilization and have nothing for which to apologize or about which to be embarrassed. And, if pushed, we need to kill everyone who comes against us. We can live without them. The bastards will starve without us.
Posted by RWV 2006-10-06 11:57||   2006-10-06 11:57|| Front Page Top

#10 What DV said.

What brave, tuff guys. Grown men in their 20s killing a 15 yr old. Evil cowards every one of them. They do not deserve another breath on planet earth.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-10-06 11:58||   2006-10-06 11:58|| Front Page Top

#11 My God, if this doesn't wake these fools up, what will ? Once this became known, every Muzzie in the isles should have been rounded up, placed on barges and towed to mid-atlantic. This kind of thing , along with van Gogh, has to be a revelation even to the do-gooders. The line has been drawn. Act or die.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-06 11:58||   2006-10-06 11:58|| Front Page Top

#12 America is a big country that is armed and dangerous. France is what, the size of CA? It's not possible to outlaw guns here - as our gangs have shown quite clearly. While it's not (as) true on the coasts - most people between the coasts not only own guns, they own many guns. I went to a gun show myself recently. The first one I have ever been to. I wish I had a picture of the granny in the pink shirt walking out with a shotgun over her shoulder, tow heads in tow. Stood next to an Amish or Mennonite guy (can't tell the difference) complete with straw hat and homespun shirt. Saw a guy buy an automatic weapon and thought...yeesh...that's not good. But hey, we sell these people bleach and draino.

If you outlawed guns, they know how to make their own. And you don't need gunpowder to make a projectile.

I'm just saying. Humans are capable of horror. They keep pushing, they really have no clue what they are in for if they don't stop.
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 11:59||   2006-10-06 11:59|| Front Page Top

#13 an auto weapon at a gunshow, huh?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-06 12:03||   2006-10-06 12:03|| Front Page Top

#14 well, consider the source :-) The thing was nasty looking - and could do some serious damage. But then I have trouble with the difference between a rifle and shotgun.
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 12:06||   2006-10-06 12:06|| Front Page Top

#15 How many rantburg readers own guns? We own one. Never shot it though. Come on into my house at 2am and I'll try it out.
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 12:11||   2006-10-06 12:11|| Front Page Top

#16 Better question is how many guns or who doesn't own a gun?
P.S. 3 and 1000 rounds, various calibers.
Posted by ed 2006-10-06 12:15||   2006-10-06 12:15|| Front Page Top

#17 Three words: Concealed Handgun License.

God bless Texas.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-10-06 12:15||   2006-10-06 12:15|| Front Page Top

#18 I own several - .20 ga shotgun & a .30-30 (for hunting), and a .38 spcl revolver for home def. Plus I have a PSE compound bow for those more discriminating encounters with pesky white tails. Though my PSE can sling a carbon shaft/broadhead @ approx 290 fps - that could be interesting on a burglar. I shoot them all when I can.

anon, some friendly advice. Pls take your weapon to a range or some such and try it out. Muscle memory and familiarity is what counts when the unexpected rears its ugly head @ 2a.m.
Posted by Broadhead6 2006-10-06 12:18||   2006-10-06 12:18|| Front Page Top

#19 Ban Korans not guns
Posted by Bright Pebbles in Blairistan 2006-10-06 12:21||   2006-10-06 12:21|| Front Page Top

#20 in the end, the pen really isn't mightier than the sword.
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 12:24||   2006-10-06 12:24|| Front Page Top

#21 only if you bury it fatally in the attacker before he shoots you :-)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-06 12:32||   2006-10-06 12:32|| Front Page Top

#22 lol!
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 12:33||   2006-10-06 12:33|| Front Page Top

#23 "He took it quietly."

As does Europe thanks to her political leadership and so-called elites.


Posted by Mark Z 2006-10-06 12:52||   2006-10-06 12:52|| Front Page Top

#24 Dyed-blonde Islamic jihadi party boys. Why do they hate us?
Posted by Evil Elvis 2006-10-06 12:57||   2006-10-06 12:57|| Front Page Top

#25 how many guns or who doesn't own a gun

a number of handguns in various calibers
an M-1 Garand (non-automatic rifle)
Posted by lotp 2006-10-06 13:28||   2006-10-06 13:28|| Front Page Top

#26 "How many rantburg readers own guns?"

Four pistols. Three rifles. Roughly 7,000 rounds of ammunition on hand.

"We own one. Never shot it though. Come on into my house at 2am and I'll try it out."

Just my opinion, but "never shot it" is asking for trouble. If you want to have a reasonable chance that the thing is going to make a difference at 2AM, it'd be a good idea to learn how to use it properly-- and safely.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-10-06 13:43||   2006-10-06 13:43|| Front Page Top

#27 exJAG here, reporting for the Rantburg weapons check:

Mine: Glock .45, Bushmaster Bullpup (5.56), Mossberg 500 (12-ga).

Mr. exJAG: Springfield .45, CETME (7.62), 12-ga Mossberg Defender (12-ga), Rumanian AK-47. For duck hunting, of course.

Unfortunately, we are located 6000 miles east of Texas, where they are stored. Talk about feeling naked.
Posted by exJAG 2006-10-06 14:04||   2006-10-06 14:04|| Front Page Top

#28 No guns. Three fighting staffs, three sets of practice nunchucks, three students of the martial arts with five black belts between them... and a piano. It'll do in a pinch. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-06 14:14||   2006-10-06 14:14|| Front Page Top

#29 Oh come on, TW. I have it on good authority that your piano playing isn't THAT bad!! LOL

badda bing
Posted by lotp 2006-10-06 14:24||   2006-10-06 14:24|| Front Page Top

#30 And this has nothing to do with the WOT, and doesnt belong in this section.

You could not be more wrong, liberalhawk. This has everything to do with the War on Terrorism. Your blinkering borders on the profound. Notice how the moderators have not seen fit to relocate this thread?

Young Kriss Donald's heinous murder is a direct offshot of Islamic terrorism. Watch the "Obsession" video if you have not already viewed it. Listen closely as Abu Hamza al-Masri describes a kuffar walking down the street as one that you "can take to market like a cow and sell there or kill if you cannot sell him".

The acts of Imran Shahid are automatically exonerated, not just by Koranic doctrine, but by so many of the Muslim clerics who preach on a daily basis. The same justification that Shahid used to murder Kriss Donald in cold blood drove 19 Saudis to kill nearly 3,000 people on an Autumn morning and motivated 32 attackers to kill 344 people, over half of which were young children, in the sleepy town of Beslan.

This is all one in the same. Kriss Donald's brutal slaying will not be the straw that breaks the camels proverbial back. Would that it were and we had no more atrocities to endure. Donald's heinous murder is just one more grain running through the hourglass that clocks Islam's passage from this world. That burdensome straw will more likely be a terrorist nuclear attack on a major Western metropolis.

The tipping point is coming. Islam's mere existence guarantees it. Muslims can no more restrain themselves from commiting these atrocities than they make a river flow uphill. The 80-90% of Muslims, a vast majority of which sit idly by, who are not radicalized nonetheless contribute the zakat that finances so many of these atrocities. The 10-20% who are fanatics represent the population of the entire United States and have zero compunctions about killing as many of us as possible. Shahid only managed to take a single victim with him before being apprehended, you can be sure he wishes that he could have taken many more.

The tipping point is coming. It will arrive as surely as the sun rises in the East. 9-11 was the tipping point for me. For others, it will likely be an atrocity of unimaginable proportions. When that day comes, the world will finally conclude that living with Muslims is far more trouble than living without them. This will be a decision thrust upon us by Islam itself. Just as Shahid's actions represent Islam itself.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-06 14:25||   2006-10-06 14:25|| Front Page Top

#31 Notice how the moderators have not seen fit to relocate this thread?

The poster of this article *is* a moderator.
Posted by lotp 2006-10-06 14:27||   2006-10-06 14:27|| Front Page Top

#32 Oopsie. Hookay, then. Notice how Fred Pruitt has not seen fit to relocate this thread? Better?
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-06 14:36||   2006-10-06 14:36|| Front Page Top

#33 3 Rifles, Shot gun, two pistols... and enough ammo to feel secure if the crap ever hits the fan...

I don't even really think about it... grew up in a family that was big into hunting... and so it just seems natural to me.

Blackvenom-2001

Oh yea... currently waiting the 30 days after I submitted the registration for my concealed weapons permit. God Bless Virginia...
Posted by Blackvenom-2001 2006-10-06 15:06||   2006-10-06 15:06|| Front Page Top

#34 Several handguns, 9mm and above, and an M1A + 1000 rnds.
Posted by SR-71 2006-10-06 15:09||   2006-10-06 15:09|| Front Page Top

#35 Somebody owns a Garand? You must have been a saint in an earlier life. You can't earn enough merit in one life to aspire to that good luck.

I have a Fairbairn-Sykes. Nobody ever gets shot accidentally with a F-S.
Posted by Richard Aubrey">Richard Aubrey  2006-10-06 15:09||   2006-10-06 15:09|| Front Page Top

#36 Nor intentionally.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-06 15:14||   2006-10-06 15:14|| Front Page Top

#37 Can't have guns in Canada, but the next time I'm down south I'd love to visit a range. So until then...I have to be content with this.
Posted by Rafael">Rafael  2006-10-06 15:49||   2006-10-06 15:49|| Front Page Top

#38 Ok, handgun porn.... My favorite handgun is my Colt Govt in .38 super, reblued with the Colt Python blue, trigger (adjustable) and slide job...


And anybody coming in my house (or mugging me) won't have to listen for the gunshot; Knives don't make any sound at all, except the automatic ones....

Thirdly, check out this Springfield A bit of overkill (so to speak) and lack of utility for home defence, but I want one!
Posted by Mark E. 2006-10-06 15:56||   2006-10-06 15:56|| Front Page Top

#39 What zenster said.
Oh, and lots of guns: handguns, shotguns, and rifles with plenty of ammo.

A country boy can survive. ;-)
Posted by Dreamsmith">Dreamsmith  2006-10-06 16:02||   2006-10-06 16:02|| Front Page Top

#40 Thirdly, check out this Springfield

SOCOM circa 1943?
Posted by ed 2006-10-06 16:04||   2006-10-06 16:04|| Front Page Top

#41 Nimble. Right. Wondered if somebody'd get it.
Posted by Richard Aubrey">Richard Aubrey  2006-10-06 16:06||   2006-10-06 16:06|| Front Page Top

#42 I "own" two or three guns - a Browning 16gauge automatic, a single-shot .22, and a M-1 Garand. They're all down at my brother's house in Texas. Firearms are too dangerous in a tightly-packed city, so I've compromised. I have my now-infamous axehandle, and a nice 220lb pull homemade crossbow and 60 darts. Anyone coming into my house at 2AM gets the axehandle right across their skull with all the power my 210 pounds can project. If they get up, I use the crossbow at close range, right into the heart. If they get up from THAT, I bow, humbly!
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-10-06 16:12|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-10-06 16:12|| Front Page Top

#43 Hey OP...another one I have is a Cold Steel spetznaz shovel.... The edge sharpens right up with a file. I pretty much keep it in my car in the winter.... It has dug out friends' and aquaintences' cars, and protected me on more than one occasion. Weighty enough to lop off limbs....more like an axe, really.
Posted by Mark E. 2006-10-06 16:19||   2006-10-06 16:19|| Front Page Top

#44 Young Kriss Donald's heinous murder is a direct offshot of Islamic terrorism.

Have to disagree Zenster. Islamic terrorism is just an alternate version of murders like this.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-10-06 16:26||   2006-10-06 16:26|| Front Page Top

#45 Oddly enough, I would say that this sort of thing is not the fault of the vicious criminals. It is in the nature of vicious criminals to do such things, all around the world.

It is the fault of the British government, and British society, that they *let* such criminals do such things and get away with it.

And as proof that it is the fault of the government and society, I will give you the answer to this dilemma: vigilantism.

When the government doesn't do its job, vigilantism is the normal response, unless the people themselves are so weak willed and pathetic that they will cringe before their own destruction.

But if a single anonymous Englishman stands up and declares the creation of a vigilante organization to stop such terrorism, someone that the people can rally around, then the following will happen:

1) The government will panic and try to stop the vigilantes. They will fail because they are ineffectual.

2) The vigilantes will start by trying to prevent crime; but they will quickly evolve into hunting down and punishing the criminals, perhaps by lynching or "riding them out on a rail", metaphorically speaking. If further allowed to spread, the vigilante organization will begin to attack the non-violent people from whom the criminals arise, their race or creed.

3) Rarely, if allowed past even this end, the vigilante movement will become a violent political movement, and seek to replace the government. From that point forward, they either become a legitimate party, or they become a mafia.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-06 16:47||   2006-10-06 16:47|| Front Page Top

#46 .22 Beretta, .38 S&W, SKS-56 with 5 filled 30 round mags and a para type plastic folding stock.
Ammo? Damfino, many thousands and no real need to count, I have a full reloading set for every caliber from .32 pistol through .30-06, with the bullet molds and powder/primers for the same, much of my closet is filled with reloading equipment and tools.

No problems here.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-10-06 16:53||   2006-10-06 16:53|| Front Page Top

#47 "Watch the "Obsession" video if you have not already viewed it. Listen closely as Abu Hamza al-Masri describes a kuffar walking down the street as one that you "can take to market like a cow and sell there or kill if you cannot sell him"."

Is there any evidence yet that the murderer actually saw or read those items? Race riots often involve tit for tat violence. Would you call it part of the WOT whenever a muslim is killed by a street thug out for vengeance?

By the way, he was killed, apparently, for being white. In case you have forgotten, there are muslims who are white. And of course billions who are not muslim and not white. This isnt even about religious vengeance anyway. Its racial vengeance.

Now im sure there are some who see the WOT not only as part of a broad clash civs between the west and Islam, and a war on liberalism, but see it as part of a war of the "white race" against everything and everyone else. I would be surprised it Fred wants this site to be home for that, but if he does, its his business.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-06 16:54||   2006-10-06 16:54|| Front Page Top

#48 Have to disagree Zenster. Islamic terrorism is just an alternate version of murders like this.

I think you seriously underestimate the ambitions of Islam and how they intend to achieve them. Murder writ large is Islam's motto. However tragic, small-time killings like that of Kriss Donald are merely the sign of an ill-disciplined jihadi.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-06 16:56||   2006-10-06 16:56|| Front Page Top

#49 read the whole article. This is the sharks vs the Jets, and the sharks went after someone innocent. It happens.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-06 16:56||   2006-10-06 16:56|| Front Page Top

#50 "ambitions of Islam and how they"

Thats grammatically incorrect. Should be "The ambitions of Islam and how IT".but of course that makes no sense. So it should really be " the ambitions of muslims and how they" except of course millions of muslims are on the other side, and some are neutral. Most are innocent. And some, like this thug in Glasgow, are GUILTY of crimes unconnected to jihad.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-06 16:59||   2006-10-06 16:59|| Front Page Top

#51 Perhaps you're correct, lh. But it would be a mistake to treat it that way, even if true. Setting people on fire is nto acceptable Jets behaviour.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-06 17:00||   2006-10-06 17:00|| Front Page Top

#52 51

you are absolutely correct
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-10-06 17:12||   2006-10-06 17:12|| Front Page Top

#53  "ambitions of Islam and how they" Thats grammatically incorrect. Should be "The ambitions of Islam and how IT".

Alternate and acceptable usages, liberalhawk. American style equates a group noun with the singularity of the group entity "it". British style looks to the multiplicity within the group and therefore equates to "they". Americans read the British usage as pretentious, the Brits read American usage as ignorant. Americans who work internationally tend to adopt the British style because it's less costly to overcome a reputation for pretentiousness than of ignorance... and whadda we care so long as they buy our stuff without fussing about our prices. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-06 17:12||   2006-10-06 17:12|| Front Page Top

#54 Personally, I've been under the impression that it has been for some time now a criminal act to be white and male in the United States. I guarantee you that the vast majority of the people I studied with for my doctorate in history believed that.
Posted by mac 2006-10-06 17:20||   2006-10-06 17:20|| Front Page Top

#55 Would you call it part of the WOT whenever a muslim is killed by a street thug out for vengeance?

No, I'd call it a "by-product".

Now im sure there are some who see the WOT not only as part of a broad clash civs between the west and Islam, and a war on liberalism, but see it as part of a war of the "white race" against everything and everyone else. I would be surprised it Fred wants this site to be home for that, but if he does, its his business.

Nice cheap shot playing the race card. This in no way distracts from the over 90% to 95%probability that Imran Shahid had jihad and hate for the Western world on his mind when he set fire to Kriss Donald.

I'll also note the overwhelming lack of support that your point of view is receiving in this thread.

PS: If you are going to be so puerile pedantic as to correct people's grammer then start with your own atrocious spelling and punctuation, would you please at least demonstrate a shred of courtesy by presenting quotes made by someone else in italics, like the majority of long-time posters here do?
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-06 17:21||   2006-10-06 17:21|| Front Page Top

#56 Is there any evidence yet that the murderer actually saw or read those items?

Because God knows that's the only way anyone could ever be exposed to such ideas. Simply unpossible that someone could have been raised in a culture where such things were part of, oh, I dunno, Friday prayers. Or dinner table conversation. Or their Holy Book.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-10-06 17:35|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-10-06 17:35|| Front Page Top

#57 "220lb pull homemade crossbow"

RIGHT OP.

I come from not a million miles away from where they abducted tortured and eventualy killed this poor fucker!

After Dunblane guns are kinda scarce in private hands but you would be amazed what you can do with a few dogs and a knowlege of weapons and the STRICT following of the law.
Posted by pihkalbadger 2006-10-06 17:39||   2006-10-06 17:39|| Front Page Top

#58 
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-06 17:48||   2006-10-06 17:48|| Front Page Top

#59 I think you seriously underestimate the ambitions of Islam and how they intend to achieve them. Murder writ large is Islam's motto. However tragic, small-time killings like that of Kriss Donald are merely the sign of an ill-disciplined jihadi.

Yes & no. Their best strategy for world conquest is emigration + extortion of privileges---such as we see every day in Europe (and USA). Terrorism actually harm this process of "peaceful conquest". However, they just cannot refrain from killing---torturing/desecrating bodies whenever they get a chance.
Example. If Paleos could refrain from terrorism past Oslo accords, they'd have their own state now + be well on the way of turning Israel into Arab majority state.

Look at it this way. Arabs, and to a lesser extent all Muslims, are way deficient in love, compassion, etc... they compensate through blood lust/sadism.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-10-06 18:31||   2006-10-06 18:31|| Front Page Top

#60 "Would you call it part of the WOT whenever a muslim is killed by a street thug out for vengeance? "

So many examples of this.... perhaps you could point to a few of them establishing a pattern? How about a leadership figure (whether political or religious) goading them to violence? Is that figure free from arrest?



Posted by Mark E. 2006-10-06 19:14||   2006-10-06 19:14|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Muhammad Abu-Africa 2006-10-06 19:34||   2006-10-06 19:34|| Front Page Top

#62 I can't prove it, but I'm thinking (takin' all bets) Imran Shahid has been celebrated (celebrated !!!) in name and verse during this "most holy month" of ramadam by his co-religionists. Assuming his guilt (and I do) his brethern don't pray for the redemption of his soul. On the contrary: His co-religionists celebrate and party in the belief his soul goes immediately to allah on his death to be serviced by a host of virgins for all eternity and they take comfort in same. Read the whole article. Read the koran. Read the ahadith. Any half wit muzzie imam could structure a dozen reasons (arguments) to justify, and condone the slaughter of Kriss (the infidel) by a Shahid.

Shahid...shahid....why have I heard that word / name before? Is that like the arabic for shaheed as in martyr?

Kriss was killed in part bcause he was white. Recall that Shahid was dissed by a whitey the night before.But don't anybody think he wasn't killed because he was infidel. He was.
Posted by Mark Z 2006-10-06 19:37||   2006-10-06 19:37|| Front Page Top

#63 nice tater gun!
Posted by RD 2006-10-06 19:42||   2006-10-06 19:42|| Front Page Top

#64 Since we're still talking about guns, one of the most fun (besides my friend's 50 Cal. BAR - Browning Automatic Rifle), was his Winchester Model 1892 that fired 45 Cal long Colt ammunition. I know it's an impractical weapon in terms of defense/offense but this thing was sighted in so perfectly, I could hit just about whatever I pointed the thing at, out to many yards. Does somebody have any background on this piece?

For compactness, I've always fancied an over-under with rifle above and shotgun below. Are there any of these being made that are of quality at all? Especially with semi-auto mode for either barrel?
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-06 19:55||   2006-10-06 19:55|| Front Page Top

#65 Zenster, a good resource for all things gun is Kim du Toit's website. I don't see the Winchester 1892 there, though he's got other models.

I just bought a Marlin 1894C lever-action carbine in .357 Magnum/.38 Spcl. that promises to be a lot of fun to shoot. We'll find out tomorrow at the range...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-10-06 20:14||   2006-10-06 20:14|| Front Page Top

#66 an auto weapon at a gunshow, huh?

Yep! I was at the "Cheaper Than Dirt" military surplus and gun store today, the one in Fort Worth. After filling out the proper paperwork and waiting for the background check, you could buy automatic weapons and suppressed (silenced) weapons...no sweat! No felony record or domestic violence convictions and you're in. Isn't Texas great!

Posted by NoBeards 2006-10-06 20:23||   2006-10-06 20:23|| Front Page Top

#67 As someone who believes that the majority of Muslims could integrate peacefully if we could just stop the Saudi money funding radical mosques, I find it a bit sad, Liberalhawk, that you are reduced to pretending that this is not WOT related. IMHO, it's people like you who are responsible for most of the bloodshed I've seen in my lifetime. Those who proclaim themselves liberals seem to look away from the most God-awful genocides and focus on the minor infractions by our own society. The problem is not that there isn't some benefit to reminding everyone that we don't want to stoop to their level, but what it does do is to make it harder for those in power to take the necessary steps to find the political will to take the hard measures necessary to keep things from spiralling out of control.

We aren't immune to this violence. From the gang rapes in Australia, France and Britian of girls not wearing hijabs and the growing "unrest" of "economically disadvantaged youths", your unwillingness to acknowledge the grave nature of the danger we are beginning to encounter makes you a part of the problem instead of the solution.
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 20:25||   2006-10-06 20:25|| Front Page Top

#68 This is the sharks vs the Jets, and the sharks went after someone innocent. It happens.

Oh. The 'acceptable level of violence' meme.
Posted by Pappy 2006-10-06 20:46||   2006-10-06 20:46|| Front Page Top

#69 Where hurt sensibilities - imagined or real, or invented to give permission to rage - demand violence and death rather than introspection or constraint or thought, we are faced with pathelogical psychosis.

Reason and arguement do not factor.

This is just the start. The next "cartoon crisis" will be Christmas. This Christmas is the next insult and proof of our "rascism" and "islamophobia". To prove we are not, I believe we will have calls to not speak of Christmas or perhaps demanded to cancel.

Perhaps no. But the tide is rising and a tipping point is coming before spring. All hell busts loose - but where and how does it start?
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-10-06 21:28||   2006-10-06 21:28|| Front Page Top

#70  First they came for

This seems appropriate here
Posted by anon 2006-10-06 22:15||   2006-10-06 22:15|| Front Page Top

#71 Some stupid thing like this will supply the spark. A school like Beslan. A string of rapes. Another random killing.

Posted by SR-71 2006-10-06 22:19||   2006-10-06 22:19|| Front Page Top

#72 But the tide is rising and a tipping point is coming before spring.

Do you have reasons for this statement, Thinemp Whimble2412, or just a gut feeling?
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-06 22:31||   2006-10-06 22:31|| Front Page Top

#73 Some stupid thing like this will supply the spark. A school like Beslan. A string of rapes. Another random killing.

Call me pessimistic, but even another Beslan may not be enough to mobilize people sufficiently. The specific people in question are our politicians. They will have to be threatened with expulsion from office for inaction before they take this seriously. Too many of them, here and abroad, live in sheltered enclaves and trundle about in chauffered limousines to have any firsthand awareness regarding the reduced quality of life that Islam's creeping influence has had on people.

Sadly, only a terrorist nuclear attack would snap these vote-counting fools awake. Only then would the tipping point be made crystal clear. I, for one, am not satisfied to wait about for such an incredible atrocity. Support must be choked off for those who do not take Islam's threat seriously. That is one of many reasons I cannot vote for the democratic party at any time in the near future or, quite possibly, ever again.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-06 22:41||   2006-10-06 22:41|| Front Page Top

#74 gut TW, just gut. And a convergence. A whirlpool forming.

More editorials in my local newspapers are speaking out, demanding answers from silent muslims. Slowly, step by step, MSM will half to tackle the obvious, if only for the sound-bite.

As Darfur continues to twing the heartstrings of the LLL, the reasons for failure can no longer be dismissed. The Islamists have spoken strongly on their vision and war on those who might stand in their way.

As "Palestinians" continue to demand their jizya from the west and Israel to fund their genocidal doctrine and demand their overt enemies money pay to kill themselves -or subjicate - more local newspapers are starting to print these demands and label them ludicrous.


It's this new speaking out of local editorials and hearing more of the islamist crap that makes me believe, that now we shall talk about it - not just at Rantburg but on the street - and take back freedoms we hold. We hold dear.

If the Pope talks about it, we all can. That we will, and must is the convergence.

The gut says that Christmas will be very, very rocky.
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-10-06 22:56||   2006-10-06 22:56|| Front Page Top

#75 You mean Rocky Balboa, or rocky unstable ?
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-06 23:06||   2006-10-06 23:06|| Front Page Top

#76 Rocky Road if I've got any say. Ya buyin'?
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-10-06 23:08||   2006-10-06 23:08|| Front Page Top

#77 *sigh* Thank you for explaining, Thinemp Whimble2412. Better it come to a head sooner rather than later.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-06 23:08||   2006-10-06 23:08|| Front Page Top

#78 The sad part is that only the islamists have the stomach for what's coming. Embracing death as they do. We're the ones who are going to hurt.
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-10-06 23:15||   2006-10-06 23:15|| Front Page Top

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