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2006-10-03 Home Front: WoT
Records Show Tenet Briefed Rice on Al Qaeda Threat
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Posted by Steve White 2006-10-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 It's Secretary Rice's job to talk nicely to everyone unless told otherwise, right up to the moment when war is declared -- or the bombs start falling, whichever comes first/
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-03 01:03||   2006-10-03 01:03|| Front Page Top

#2 Spot on, tw.

Null, you sound just like Snease. Who sounds like Listen to Dogs. Who sounds like Man Bites Dog - only on proper meds.

[mini-rantus]
It really is goofy to single out someone in the cabinet and rail against them. They serve at the pleasure of the President. Full stop. If anyone really thinks they're doing it all wrong, playing the maverick and off the deep end, then they're both unhappy with how Bush is deploying and using his chess pieces and completely ignorant of the Executive Branch of the US government. Blame it on Bush. Then, intrepid ankle-biters of the world, please explain how it is that you are so much more brilliant, can see so much more clearly, and possess such a stash of mahvelous intel. I'm sure Bush & Co will beg you to bring your dazzling intellect to bear upon the major issues. Besides, I need the laughs.
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Posted by .com 2006-10-03 03:00||   2006-10-03 03:00|| Front Page Top

#3 we're waiting null. LOL!
Posted by RD 2006-10-03 03:55||   2006-10-03 03:55|| Front Page Top

#4 Mmm, let’s see… the former Director had many meetings with the National Security Advisor and he could not convey a sense of urgency of the looming threat of Al Qaeda….. Wish I was in those briefings, or maybe the NYT was there and failed to report it…
Posted by Joe of the Jungle 2006-10-03 08:44||   2006-10-03 08:44|| Front Page Top

#5 this is all rewarmed up spit. It all gets down to the same thing: no specifics, no actionable intel
Posted by Captain America 2006-10-03 09:12||   2006-10-03 09:12|| Front Page Top

#6 They couldn't get Bush in the 04 'lection, so they came after Cheney. They got Scooter, but couldn't take out Rove. This week they're working both Rummy and Rice, with approximately the same odds for success...zippy.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-10-03 09:43||   2006-10-03 09:43|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm with the mods' comments in pink salmon about it being high time to quit the blame game and let's get to the "After Action Report" and learn HOW to squish AQ and other Islamofascists like the cockroaches they are. Hey, I'm all (personally) for piling on President Clinton anytime we can, but we've ALL got to remember that even us die-hard Rantburgers couldn't have gone to war w/ AQ without 9/11. To pretend you could've taken them out with the military at that time is ludicrous, honestly. Now, let's get on with it, and GIT ER DONE!
Posted by BA 2006-10-03 11:33||   2006-10-03 11:33|| Front Page Top

#8 whoops! meant "pink salmon"
Posted by BA 2006-10-03 11:34||   2006-10-03 11:34|| Front Page Top

#9 OT : Regarding the pink issue, I think Mr. White is still in denial, and it's harmful for him in the long run to pretend not to notice, and pretend it's salmon, in order not to upset him.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-03 11:36||   2006-10-03 11:36|| Front Page Top

#10 "It really is goofy to single out someone in the cabinet and rail against them. They serve at the pleasure of the President."

.com,
Your point is well taken. Too often people search for alternate realities and pin exclusive blame on others to mitigate their ignorance. This enables them to overlook cumbersome complexities and provides them with simple explanations. However, the conclusions of 9/11 commission illustrates the folly of those unwilling to assign individual responsibility only to choose the path of least resistance in collective blame. For many, when the commission concluded that the 9/11 tragedy resulted from a “Failure of imagination at all levels”, it exposed the unthinkable truth that even the survival of a nation now must first pass through the political prism. Reasonable people are not advocating for George Tenets’ or Dr. Rices’ head on a pike. But it is impossible to ignore that one was the Presidents’ National Security Advisor and the other was the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency when the worst Terrorist attack hit the United States mainland. It’s difficult to offer an analogy of failure from leaders even with limited roles of action and accepted partial responsibility. In some cultures, a failure of that magnitude, the honourable course of action would have been self disembowelment with a Tantô blade. But of course we all know that one received the nation's highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom Award and the others position was elevated to Secretary of State.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-10-03 12:31||   2006-10-03 12:31|| Front Page Top

#11 Lol, DepotGuy - did you leave a trail of breadcrumbs?

That post reminds me of liberalhawk, lol.

"Reasonable people are not advocating for George Tenets’ or Dr. Rices’ head on a pike. But..."

Look, no one, 911 Political Asscover & Blame Commission included, saw precisely what occurred coming. Nothing actionable was discovered by Tenet's bunch, much less handed to Rice and fumbled.

You obviously do want some heads on pikes or someone to commit sepuku. But you've stated that such would be unreasonable, lol. I agree - it's pointlessly unreasonable, unproductive, and unseemly to need somebody to be sacrificed on the altar of political bullshit when no one, and I mean no one, knew what the fuck was going to happen.

The Psychic Friends Network was offline.

So, other than wanting some blood spilled to satisfy the mob, is there anything else?
Posted by .com 2006-10-03 13:33||   2006-10-03 13:33|| Front Page Top

#12 Dot,

Your points on tossing folks overboard are interesting, but there is another side to the matter.

As you'll recall after the Pearl Harbor attack, Admiral Kimmel and General Short were both relieved of command. FDR went far down the Navy's seniority list to pick Nimitz as CINCPAC. Many have explained the reasoning thusly: It wasn't Kimmel or Short's fault that it happened, but FDR didn't want commanders who obviously did not have special insight into the current situation and therefore they had to go.

I have similar misgivings in today's environment. It wasn't Tenet's fault or Louis Freeh's or Condi Rice's, but have we gotten the people with special insight into the right positions? (John Kerry need not apply.)
Posted by Dreadnought 2006-10-03 16:04||   2006-10-03 16:04|| Front Page Top

#13 CIA analysts need not apply either. Too many leaks. Purge time
Posted by Frank G 2006-10-03 16:32||   2006-10-03 16:32|| Front Page Top

#14 Interesting, DN. However, I do not think you or DG made any sort of case that would stand up to factual scrutiny, although it is perfectly acceptable for political hit pieces.

I guess we differ on:

a) actively fucking up vs passively not being able to read tea leaves

b) solid and specific intel vs vague bullshit intel

I jus' loves perfect 20/20 hindsight.

I won't go thru all of the stuff about Pearl Harbor - and think it is a poor choice to equate with 9/11 - where there was some serious active fucking up (documented in actual orders) but unknown quality intel delivered to those who needed it in time - wildly differing claims and whole schools of pro/con advocacy revolve around the intel and who got it and when.

Which did Kimmel and Short have?

Which did Rice and Bush have?

I'm rather disappointed by your response. Need blood? Okay, let's see the proof - not Woodward or Dickie Clark, please, something actually credible and specific to those you want crucified. BTW, who do you want crucified?

I've said my piece. I just don't believe in this sort of shit. :-|
Posted by .com 2006-10-03 16:49||   2006-10-03 16:49|| Front Page Top

#15 Oops, I missed seeing your last paragraph. Shit! My apologies - I was far too harsh. Kick me, plz. :-(

As for who should be in what position, I'm open. Certainly not Dickie, lol.
Posted by .com 2006-10-03 16:52||   2006-10-03 16:52|| Front Page Top

#16 Fred for Director of National Intelligence, and Joe Mendiola for Director of MisUnderInformation.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-10-03 17:45||   2006-10-03 17:45|| Front Page Top

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