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2018-09-13 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by badanov 2018-09-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 I don't give a fuck anymore - break them up. 'Don't be evil', my French ass.

Posted by Raj 2018-09-13 00:18|| 2018-09-13 00:18|| Front Page Top

#2 Seconded by my American ass, Raj. :-)

Core values? Ah, that's just for show.

Posted by gorb 2018-09-13 00:47|| 2018-09-13 00:47|| Front Page Top

#3 They definitely have core values. They just interpret the words differently than we do. What, for instance, is evil? To me, creating an Orwellian atmosphere of RightThink is evil. Obviously, they disagree.

Posted by trailing wife 2018-09-13 01:00|| 2018-09-13 01:00|| Front Page Top

#4 a New York University psychologist, Jonathan Haidt, was formulating a theory about why liberals and conservatives have such a hard time productively conversing.

After mucking around in a lot of survey data, he came up with this basic idea: Liberals and people of the left underpin their politics with moral concerns about harm and fairness; they are driven by the imperative to help the vulnerable and see justice done. Conservatives and people of the right value these things as well but have several additional moral touchstones — loyalty, respect and sanctity. They value in-group solidarity, deference to authority, and the protection of purity in mind and body. To liberals, those sincerely held values can look a lot like, in Dr. Haidt's words, "xenophobia, authoritarianism and Puritanism." This asymmetry is the fountainhead of mutual incomprehension and disdain.

Haidt has done good work on the psychology of political persuasion. He's a self-described liberal who discovered some of the personality traits that correlate with political belief. One of the most telling discoveries was that conservatives tend to be curious about what liberals think and why, while liberals see conservatives as inferior "other," inherently incapable of thought.

When faced with questions such as "One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal" or "Justice is the most important requirement for a society," liberals assumed that conservatives would disagree.

http://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

Jonathan Haidt's experiments ask liberals and conservatives to fill out questionnaires about their values, then to predict how someone from the opposite tribe would fill out the questionnaire. He finds that conservatives are able to predict liberals' answers just fine and seem to have a pretty good understanding of their worldviews, but that liberals have *no idea* how conservatives think or what they value.

http://www.aei.org/publication/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/

Posted by Herb McCoy 2018-09-13 01:40|| 2018-09-13 01:40|| Front Page Top

#5 BEHOLD!! Direct decendants of the 1960's California flower child hippies!

Posted by Ebbavirt Clunk4147 2018-09-13 04:11|| 2018-09-13 04:11|| Front Page Top

#6 I’ve saved that comment to my little collection of Rantburg wisdom, Herb McCoy.

Posted by trailing wife 2018-09-13 06:18|| 2018-09-13 06:18|| Front Page Top

#7 They seem not to have any problem working hand in hand with the authoritarian regime in China. The Left never has rid itself of its old love of the Plantation system in any form.

Posted by Procopius2k 2018-09-13 06:38|| 2018-09-13 06:38|| Front Page Top

#8 My own idea is that emotional NEOTENY drives the liberal mind.

They cannot imagine other people can think differently and the attempt to live at other's expense and expectation of being able to do so is a longing to return to those times.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2018-09-13 08:54|| 2018-09-13 08:54|| Front Page Top

#9 heidt's book is available at Amazon.

perhaps the book is more complex than the snippets suggest. One of the comments on the book suggests -
A great book that explains how Conservatives don't Care as much as Liberals.

And if you've taken offense to that statement, you should read the book.

On the other hand, speaking for myself, I probably don't care as much as a lot of liberals. But I might still read the book on my next vacation.

Posted by Bobby 2018-09-13 10:19|| 2018-09-13 10:19|| Front Page Top

#10 New Motto
~~Don't~~ do evil.

Posted by CrazyFool 2018-09-13 10:19|| 2018-09-13 10:19|| Front Page Top

#11 Maybe I won't read the book. Here is the last part of a lengthy critical review -

I don't actually disagree with any of Haidt's psychological studies. I just come to entirely different conclusion. When Haidt finds ignorance and prejudice, he wants to build a code of ethics out of it. Where I find ignorance and prejudice, I want to educate people and help them to understand the points of views of others. How can this come about? Well, first one must accept that there is a real, physical reality out there, and that certain actions make sense in the real world and others don't. If you compare today's political discussion with that of previous generations, you can see how far we've fallen. For example, read "The Federalist Papers" and compare that to any modern day politician's anti-intellectualism, and you can realize how much America has lost since our founding in terms of critical thinking and honest debate.

The Enlightenment-style system of individual rights has advanced society enormously. Unfortunately, there are still pseudo-intellectuals like Haidt who want to drag us back into the stone age, or worse, towards fascism, religious fundamentalism, or communism. I find this book disturbing and could go on and on about problems I have with it, however I think I've said enough to get my point across.

Maybe the blind squirrel found an acorn, in comment #4?

Posted by Bobby 2018-09-13 10:25|| 2018-09-13 10:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Freaking nerds trying to be accepted by the cool kids.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-09-13 11:33|| 2018-09-13 11:33|| Front Page Top

#13 The left has built up thick walls around their echo-chambers for the last decade or so. If on the military could build tanks and warships out of such strong material as liberal bullheadishness.

Posted by rjschwarz 2018-09-13 18:41|| 2018-09-13 18:41|| Front Page Top

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