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B.O.: US will never be at war with Islam
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Posted by Fred 2010-09-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ]  Top

#1 He speaks as if he's going to be there a long, long, time.

What an ass.
Posted by CrazyFool 2010-09-12 00:14||   2010-09-12 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 
Posted by Jomoter Oppressor of the Wee Folk2099 2010-09-12 00:55||   2010-09-12 00:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Ignorant, shallow, foolish little man.
Posted by lex 2010-09-12 00:58||   2010-09-12 00:58|| Front Page Top

#4 He's a narcissist, and in way over his head, but he has surprised me favorably on at least one thing. He's prosecuting the war pretty much as Bush was, and has not stopped or even scaled back the dronezaps. On THAT issue he talks wrong but doesn't really act it. Not optimal, but beats talking right and acting totally wrong.
Posted by Glenmore 2010-09-12 01:16||   2010-09-12 01:16|| Front Page Top

#5 
vendaval - Leave out the birther stuff. First and only warning.

And second - it is islam that has been at an undeclared war with America for nine years, exactly to the day...
Posted by vendaval 2010-09-12 01:20||   2010-09-12 01:20|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, USA already, kind off, paying Jizya.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-09-12 02:09||   2010-09-12 02:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Shows how much Zero knows - as Americans, we have been at war off and on with Islam since Thomas Jefferson's administration. The Marine Corps Hymn line of "To the shores of Tripoli" deals with the Barbary Pirates; Teddy Roosevelt sent a naval force to Morocco to rescue American hostages; Eisenhower sent troops to Lebanon when the Islamists threaten it in the 1950s; and today we fight the Islamists all over North Africa, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-09-12 03:59||   2010-09-12 03:59|| Front Page Top

#8 Islam's been at war with everyone unfortunate to live next to it since, oh, the early 600s. Obama might not like to acknowledge that. And nor is it his war to chose to fight or not.
Posted by Bulldog 2010-09-12 04:05||   2010-09-12 04:05|| Front Page Top

#9 I figure ALL his crap is due to his Islamic upbringing.
He tries to hide it, doesn't know how, and flounders publicly for all to see.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2010-09-12 07:26||   2010-09-12 07:26|| Front Page Top

#10 I stand among the 30 percenters, those swelling ranks of some 110,000,000 Americans who believe he IS a muslim. I suspect I'm in pretty good company.
Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-12 08:40||   2010-09-12 08:40|| Front Page Top

#11 You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-09-12 09:26||   2010-09-12 09:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Besoeker, he's a Mohammedan by birth, but an Obamaist by faith.
Posted by Glenmore 2010-09-12 09:39||   2010-09-12 09:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Is it so that if your father is a Moslem then you are a Moslem? If this is so, wouldn't he be considered an apostate?
Posted by Grenter, Protector of the Geats 2010-09-12 10:40||   2010-09-12 10:40|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm hoping Bammer is a short-timer. Neutered in 2010 and out in 2012.
Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-12 10:46||   2010-09-12 10:46|| Front Page Top

#15 I am SO stealing that picture.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2010-09-12 11:04||   2010-09-12 11:04|| Front Page Top

#16 Very little is currently being said about what appears to be the new policy of enemy 'non-engagement' or disengagement in Afghanistan. "Presence patroling" up and down major supply routes and peering out of FOB's will not defeat AQ or the Taliban. I suspect this political, civil-military engagement (play nice - hearts and minds strategy) is coming directly from the White House and is costing the lives of soldier and Marine lives nearly every day. General McChrystal's recent departure from command in Afghanistan must surely be a confirmation of his and his staff's frustration with the White House and the administration's political bent and strategic guidance. Last week's refusal from the Pentagon to NATO for additional manpower is telling. My preliminary assessment is we've already thrown in the towel in Afghanistan. General McChrystal saw it coming and in a rough manner of speaking, walked off the stage with some dignity intact.

The timetable for withdrawl in Afghanistan has been set and I remain confident President Obama will meet it, regardless of the recent caveats and backpeddling. As NATO begins to recognize the obvious, there will be a wholescale withdrawl by our European Allies and who can blame them. The second phase of the withdrawl timeable is already well into the planning stages. That being the total transformation, read that dismantling, of the US Military.

Just my assessment. I hope I am wrong.
Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-12 11:56||   2010-09-12 11:56|| Front Page Top

#17 The Hearts and minds focus only works if the medcaps and civil stuff is laced with intel guys and once the intel is developed it is acted on. The program works if the command is willing to go back after the civil projects are done and roll up the bad guys.

As for our pres being a muzzie or not. He was born and raised muzzie. His moral values and views of the world are ingrained from childhood. Being a practicing muslim or not is now irrelevant, he was cast into that moral view. He is probably christian, or adopted radical black views veiled in Christianity, rev Reid. regardless of his current religion, his core belief system is Islam, as demonstrated by his we are not at war with Islam statement.

But then his point is taken and who we are at war with is much more complicated that just Islam. Islam is the thread, no doubt, that laces the countries together in their war against America and the West. We are at war with the Islamic belief system, we are also at war with rich nations where Islamic beliefs drive decisions. We are at war with the Saudis, Saudi businesses, Iran, Libya, and all of the Islamic ruled nations. The image that comes to mind of Zero is him standing on a football field wearing a basketball uniform and holding a tennis racket while Islam and the nation states that are at war with us are in football gear. He is not even in the game!
Posted by 49 pan 2010-09-12 12:36||   2010-09-12 12:36|| Front Page Top

#18 I for one, welcome our new overlords.

/not really - paraphrasing Kent Brockman of Simpsons TV news commentator fame.


Posted by Goober Goobelopolous 2010-09-12 12:47||   2010-09-12 12:47|| Front Page Top

#19  If this is so, wouldn't he be considered an apostate?
-- To reiterate, Islam considers every human being is born Muslim, but his parents, culture, and upbringing can make him otherwise. See this other article on Rantburg today. According to the jihadis, anyone who is not fighting at their side is therefore an apostate & deserves the death penalty.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-12 13:43||   2010-09-12 13:43|| Front Page Top

#20 #17 The Hearts and minds focus only works if the medcaps and civil stuff is laced with intel guys and once the intel is developed it is acted on. The program works if the command is willing to go back after the civil projects are done and roll up the bad guys. Pan 49

You and I both know there aren't enough 'operators' in theater to come close to achieving this goal. The bad guys that are being "detained" are questioned and quickly released with Happy Meal, shower, and a smile.
Effective clearing operations have essentially stopped and Pred mission targeting takes a virtual presidential order. It's a holding action, or at least appears to be. When is the last time anyone mentioned the word "surge" in the news? We're out of Schlitz on this one, thanks to a muslim sympothizing POTUS with a very huge food stamp problem.
Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-12 14:00||   2010-09-12 14:00|| Front Page Top

#21 No it's all cool. I'm sure he's just engaging in taqqiya or hudna....
Posted by Mercutio 2010-09-12 15:10||   2010-09-12 15:10|| Front Page Top

#22 I don't think President Obama has ever truly been a Muslim, no matter what the Musliims may think. He has several handicaps to belief built into his upbringing: his mother was not only a Red Diaper baby as the child of active cadres of the American Stalinists, but she trained and worked as an anthropologist -- and anthropologists look at all faith systems as quaint and colourful misinterpretations of the universe. I have no doubt young Master Barry heard a great many rants on the subject from before he could even talk. Second, by birth and parentage, he was fated to be an outsider wherever he found himself:

half-black, but that half African, not African-American, so completely unconnected to African-American history and personal experiences, no matter how he tried to graft it on later;

the adopted American child of a local Indonesian, and so never completely part of the local society, no matter that he went to local schools and played with the village children. I'm sure it didn't help that his mother must have provided educational enrichment at home not available to his classmates, which meant he knew and believed things they didn't ("No, Barrykins, djinns are not a constant factor in physics problems, I don't care what your teacher says. Do it her way for the homework grade, but do it again my way if you want to go to college some day. So often these quaint local customs are counterproductive, you know that!");

as the child of a local employee of an international company, where the other Americans were there on ex-pat plans that provided a completely different standard of living... Little Barry would have been invited to the pool parties and other corporate functions, but probably never invited to play dates, because really, one doesn't mix with the locals like that, it gives them ideas above their station. This would not have mixed well with his mother's communist and anthropological ideas, not to mention widely known American ideas on innate equality.

In retrospect, it's no wonder his mother sent him back to America to live with his grandparents. For someone as insecure as little Barry must have been, it would have been a living hell. I s'pose we all can be grateful she didn't send him to a Swiss or an English boarding school, like so many expats do, when their careers put them in places inappropriate for offspring. Come to think of it, I have a cousin whose parents ended up in Kenya, who sent her to a nun-run boarding school in England, which she describes as useful for having built in her a love for reading in libraries. So little Barry's relief at living somewhere that welcomed him must have intertwined with being sent away by the woman at the center of his universe...
Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-12 15:51||   2010-09-12 15:51|| Front Page Top

#23 As for the "at war with Islam" thingy: there are several forces at play here, some of which Fred brought up in his editorials of the last two days.

1. We are not at war with Islam as such. We are at war with those who work to impose Sharia upon us. There are Muslims who are not interested in that, and there are Muslims who are actively working with us to prevent that. Plus the supposedly six million per year leaving Islam altogether through apostasy or conversion.

2. Islam is at war with itself at the moment, over whether attempting to impose Sharia on unbelievers is an acceptable goal, whether by the hard jihad of the sword or the soft jihad of the law. Most of this discussion we do not see, although there are occasional reports of a book published by this or that theoretician of Islamism explaining the theological basis for their decision to rescind support for jihad against the infidels... and for jihad toward establishment of the caliphate altogether. See here and here for real-world examples. (Well done, ryuge!)

But we absolutely are at war with those who are at war with us, at this point the jihadis and their more or less quiet supporters around the world. If Islam can get its act together, it can quietly surrender to the Enlightenment which defeated its supremacy, just as the Christian sects did in the past.
Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-12 16:42||   2010-09-12 16:42|| Front Page Top

#24 Obama has managed to make a statement that's both amazingly stupid and dangerous for the United States.

Obviously no human being (even an absolute dictator) can commit a nation to a policy for all eternity. Obama just doesn't make sense here.

Second, 'never' also means 'regardless of "Islam's" actions'. The literal meaning of this statement is that 'Islam' could e.g. openly attack the US and kill hundreds of millions of Americans, and yet there would be no military reaction. Nuts!

Good thing that this Dumb Chimperor guy isn't in office anymore!
Posted by Omaing White7048 2010-09-12 18:54||   2010-09-12 18:54|| Front Page Top

#25 With all respect, tw, regardless of being an anthropologist, she married two different muslims, I think. I think the woman plus the son is bound to have more than a little bit of conflict about religion.
Posted by Goober Goobelopolous 2010-09-12 18:57||   2010-09-12 18:57|| Front Page Top

#26 Mr. Smartest President Ever please quit telling us we are not at war with Islam and never will be. It appears to me that since 9/11 every targeted attack, successful kill and battlefield arrest by our military has been a Muslim. Every American killed on the battlefield was killed by a Muslim. Am I missing something? Sir if you think that polite talk will stop the violent jihadists then you need to go back to Chicago and resume stapling fliers on telephone poles.
Posted by Jack Salami 2010-09-12 19:09||   2010-09-12 19:09|| Front Page Top

#27 tw, I wonder how large the number of muslims is that want to establish and impose sharia law in the U.S.? How many might be moderate and opposed to sharia law. I have grappled with these notions at times. On one hand, I know we have muslim interpreters and people in the military working for us. At times, some of these people go jihad such as at Ft. Hood or the grenade fragging incident early in the Iraq war. Occasionally, I hear some muslim on TV who sounds sensible and is opposed to sharia law or the building of the victory mosque but it seems like the voices are in the minority (a small, small minority). Because 9/11 occurred, and there have been constant attempts to kill Americans in the U.S. and abroad I tend to reject all of islam as having evil intentions.

I have seen numbers such as about 7% of the muslims (about 80 million) in the world are radicalized muslims. That is a sizeable number and potentially a sizeable problem for us.

The population of Japan was about 72 million in 1939. The population of Germany was around 80 million in 1939. Certainly not all the Japanese or the Germans were supportive of the Emperor or Hitler at the time. So the number of people we were at war with shortly after 1939 might have been quite a bit fewer than 80 million. Just presenting this to give a scale of magnitude.
Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-12 19:26||   2010-09-12 19:26|| Front Page Top

#28 regardless of being an anthropologist, she married two different muslims,

Yes, she did, Goober dear. But, not being a woman of faith herself, she likely thought of them as romantically dark, Third World heroes, rather than followers of the pedophile prophet. Also, it sounded like both men were not very religious... and Barrack, Sr. was a committed polygamist who likely only married her for the convenience of an on-site sexual partner. Mr. Soetero (sp?) sounded like he tried to be as good a husband and father to little Barry as he was capable of. Barrack, Jr. appears to me entirely too cynical and striving to be coolly intellectual to be capable of religious faith of any kind.

JohnQC, the number I've usually seen is 10% assumed to be radicals, although that may or may not include the supporters as well as the violent. Presumably the same number of believers are at the other end -- wanting their faith to be a personal matter while fitting into the Western way of life... We've read reports of Saudi-supported radicals pushing the moderates out of mosques in this country, and today ryuge gave a link to yet another group working to remove jihad from Islam, so the good guys are starting to reveal themselves both within the Ummah and to us unbelievers as well.
Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-12 19:54||   2010-09-12 19:54|| Front Page Top

#29 We're at war with those who want a worldwide islamic caliphate, worldwide imposition of sharia, etc. Maybe there are "only" a few million or tens of millions fanatical enough to die for the cause, but there are probably hundreds of millions of passive sympathizers.

What's the threshold beyond which this qualifies as a war on islam?

Tours, Constantinople, Vienna, Lepanto, 9/11. Same war, different battles, no matter what our braindead president decrees.
Posted by kcs 2010-09-12 20:06||   2010-09-12 20:06|| Front Page Top

#30 In retrospect, it's no wonder his mother sent him back to America to live with his grandparents.

As I recall, it was his preference. And I don't wonder at that, either.
Posted by Angie Schultz 2010-09-12 20:52||   2010-09-12 20:52|| Front Page Top

#31 Iff the MSM-Net are repor that COMMIE-MAOIST GROUPS are colluding wid Islamist Militants, doesn't it mean that the Commies, etc. have also been in an Undeclared war agz the USA for Nine Years since 9-11???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-09-12 23:30||   2010-09-12 23:30|| Front Page Top

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