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2010-09-11 Home Front: WoT

Truthers: 'Evidence proves 9/11 story is a lie'

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Posted by Fred 2010-09-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top
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#1 Instead of torching Korans, how about we make everybody happy and light these slugs up instead?

Posted by tu3031 2010-09-11 00:31|| 2010-09-11 00:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Taking the "Its Bush's fault" to a new level.

Posted by 49 pan 2010-09-11 00:35|| 2010-09-11 00:35|| Front Page Top

#3 Can we get the "Aw Jeez, not this shit again" graphic on this one?

Posted by bigjim-CA 2010-09-11 02:25|| 2010-09-11 02:25|| Front Page Top

#4 Better yet, can we pull anyone's P.E. that joins in this chorus of bullsh*t?

Posted by bigjim-CA 2010-09-11 02:29|| 2010-09-11 02:29|| Front Page Top

#5 This idiots say that fire cannot melt steel, WTF? What do they think is used to melt steel, kryptonite and Superman's X-ray vision? Besides which, to destroy the effectiveness of a support beam all you have to do is damage its temper, which avgas and hundreds of tons of paper and office furniture burning will easily do.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-09-11 04:13|| 2010-09-11 04:13|| Front Page Top

#6 Better yet, tu3031, lets make a huge bonfire of Korans and throw these idiots on it.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-09-11 04:14|| 2010-09-11 04:14|| Front Page Top

#7 Idiots. Take a look see here..

Some people just don't get it.

Posted by newc 2010-09-11 05:14|| 2010-09-11 05:14|| Front Page Top

#8 there is nothing so offensive as those who twist the truth and spread misinformation

they are truly evil

may you rot in hell, "truthers"

Posted by anon1 2010-09-11 05:51|| 2010-09-11 05:51|| Front Page Top

#9 great link, newc

Posted by anon1 2010-09-11 05:56|| 2010-09-11 05:56|| Front Page Top

#10 Who knew Syria invaded the US.

Posted by miscellaneous 2010-09-11 06:27|| 2010-09-11 06:27|| Front Page Top

#11 I think IranPress's masters have forgotten, or don't care, that the NSA has a great deal of evidence in their archives of the connection between the 9/11 hijackers and the government of Iran. It was mentioned in the 9/11 Commission's final report...

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-11 07:49|| 2010-09-11 07:49|| Front Page Top

#12 The Iran Press should follow the advice of these guys....

Posted by Goodluck 2010-09-11 08:31|| 2010-09-11 08:31|| Front Page Top

#13 Truthers feed into the meme of the muslim world. Some people never saw a conspiracy theory they didn't like. Their PEs ought to be pulled for spreading guff.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-11 08:34|| 2010-09-11 08:34|| Front Page Top

#14 I have found that just about every "truther expert" fails the sanity test and stretch their "credentials" a bit. I actually met two at the State Capital one day, they seemed really calm until you ask them questions counter to their "belief" (because they have no proof) they get really riled.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2010-09-11 08:51|| 2010-09-11 08:51|| Front Page Top

#15 Wow, that's some pretty stiff criteria they have:
Verification Team Assures a Sound Foundation
Written by David Carrig
Sunday, 06 December 2009 00:00

Validity of petition signers crucial to AE911Truth's credibility

Ed: The Verification Team is one of the unsung heroes of AE911Truth. Working diligently behind the scenes, this team provides assurance the petition signers are legitimate, and that their credentials are valid.

The Verification Team is a group of volunteers responsible for ensuring that signers of the AE911Truth petition are real and the information is accurate. All petition signers are verified, whether they are architects, engineers or supporters, living in the US or outside of the US.

Posted by Frank G 2010-09-11 10:05|| 2010-09-11 10:05|| Front Page Top

#16 A couple of years ago, at the 'Burg, there was an articla about a Professor signing a similar tune. I found he was a professor of philosphy, and snarked, "Leave it to a professor pf philpsophy to expose a conspiracy endorsed by several hundred professional engineers."

Snark of the day, at the time, as I recall.

ASCE was one of the organizations in the official investigation, and they are not right-wingers, I can assure you. Their professors are PhDs of structural engineering.

I am but a lowly civil engineer, but understood the cause of the collapse before it was complete. Fire codes are designed to hold up the structure for a certain number of hours so people can get out. The fire code almost worked on 9/11, but the code never considered jet fuel sprayed throughout the structure. I believe engineers and architects are considering changing the fire code for large structures to include accelerants. I know it was discussed.

Posted by Bobby 2010-09-11 11:26|| 2010-09-11 11:26|| Front Page Top

#17 There are some complex things going on which are really simple concepts. Let me try.

Don't have to melt the steel/support structure it just has to be weakened enough to bend under the weight of the total mass of the building above the affected area. Now a passenger jet is a mostly hollow lightweight object - mostly hollow because these were loaded with fuel for a trans-continent east to west flight (that is important Gregg because the earth rotates on an axis, not around you).

All that heat has to go somewhere. With the building design compromised from airplane bits tearing holes in walls and stripping protective coatings the fire spreads much more rapidly (See the definition of Flashover). The only place for heat to escape is the crash hole and any open windows, so the hot gases also start migrating naturally upwards, exposing more floors to high heat and possible ignitions where say trapped heat exceeds 451 degrees and paper combusts. This is a gigantic office building as we know.

The hot air rises, but the steel beams and whatnot also conducts heat downwards.

But before the bow breaks, notice the pronounced leans of the structures above the impact points. May only by tenths of a degree but that is a large tall building - I'd bet a golf ball would have easily rolled across the upper floors there towards the end.

We cannot see what is going on inside, but eventually one weld or bolt too many fails and like a house of cards once it starts it happens quick. But it is not a deck of cards, it is floors of concrete and steel and computer desks and people and that is called momentum and if all the remainig supports go nearly at once then yes it may look like a controlled demo because it is the same concept. But it doesn't take 10-14 seconds, it takes what and hour and a half.

I've seen the bumping of grain trucks and backhoe work cause enough vibration to screw up a masonry building. I think I can believe that the collapse of 2 gigantic office buildings could weaken a foundation enough.

So Gregg ya wanna warm up the dutchie and talk about all the way to the top man! you go for it, but y'alls belief that of explosives and not hot enough is so proposterous that your credibility is somewhere below the arguement that the movie Harvey was about the illuminati and mind control.

And thats why firefighters laugh at you Gregg. See, even rural volunteer firefighters learn that much in Firefighter I class, nevermind the paid professionals of NYC.

Posted by swksvolFF 2010-09-11 13:05|| 2010-09-11 13:05|| Front Page Top

#18 The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth looks like it's making big bucks off of tax-deductible donations.

"AE911Truth is an IRS approved 501(c)3 tax exempt nonprofit corporation. Your donations are tax deductible."

And the mailing address for donations is apparently a UPS store in Berkeley that allows mailboxes to have street addresses.

Hell of a deal, if you can get it. Just let the donations roll in.

I can't believe anyone could watch the multiple camera views of the destruction that happened in real time and come to the conclusion that this was set by explosives.

I think a cynical reason for the cynical view is much more likely. Just my humble opinion.

Posted by Black Charlie Chinemble5313 2010-09-11 15:27|| 2010-09-11 15:27|| Front Page Top

#19 as a licensed professional engineer (Civil, like Mr. Bobby and Al-Aska Paul PBUH) and an emphasis on structures (like buildings, ahem, and bridges) I can say these idiots are a disgrace to their professions, and their names and registrations should be public. I think there's only a few, really, and they say they have more to be all "consensusy" like the Global Warming hoaxers

Posted by Frank G 2010-09-11 15:46|| 2010-09-11 15:46|| Front Page Top

#20 Must have got their degrees from Harvard.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2010-09-11 19:49|| 2010-09-11 19:49|| Front Page Top

#21 Gimme an axe handle, and I'll show them some engineering they can believe in (and all the mercy and justice they are due)

Posted by OldSpook 2010-09-11 21:42|| 2010-09-11 21:42|| Front Page Top

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