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2005-09-19 Britain
Anglican bishops to apologize for Iraq war, say Iran not a tyranny
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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-09-19 00:06|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

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He is also critical of the power of the so-called Christian Right on Washington’s policies. The bishops question the US sense of “moral righteousness” and criticise the use of biblical texts by some in the US to support a political agenda in the Middle East. The bishops say: “There is no uniquely righteous nation.”


I would suggest that these churchmen are reversing cause and effect. I do not think we in the US simply believe, as they are accusing, that we have the right to do what we want because we're righteous, but rather that we're doing what we think is right.

Which brings me to this:
The bishops plead for understanding of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. “The public and political rhetoric that Iran is a rogue regime, an outpost of tyranny, is as fallacious as the Iranian description of the US as the Great Satan. Iran’s relationship with Islamic terrorist organisations should not be seen as proof of any al-Qaeda link.”


Oh, so now they're saying we're supposed to be understanding of Salafist and other terrorist organizations as long as they're not the ones directly responsible for 9/11?

And they want to blind themselves to the nature of the Iranian government in order to be able to pretend their position is in some way moral?
Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-09-19 00:21||   2005-09-19 00:21|| Front Page Top

#2 The bishops question the US sense of "moral righteousness"...

Dammit, and that was a brand new irony meter.
Posted by Angie Schultz 2005-09-19 00:45|| http://darkblogules.blogspot.com]">[http://darkblogules.blogspot.com]  2005-09-19 00:45|| Front Page Top

#3 Deport them, too. Where, you might reasonably ask? I propose Atlantis. That's most likely where they originated, where they spend most of their waking time - in the metaphorical and metaphysical sense, and really want to be, anyway. With complimentary concrete ankle weights, of course.
Posted by .com 2005-09-19 00:49||   2005-09-19 00:49|| Front Page Top

#4 Some people are too stupid to live. Too bad these bishops will take a lot of Britons to hell, sorry Anglicans bishops don't seem to believe much religious doctrine at all over the cliff with them.
Posted by ed 2005-09-19 01:06||   2005-09-19 01:06|| Front Page Top

#5 Well that pretty much seals the deal on my turning my back on “Christianity” You left wing and right wing religious fools ofd the Christian sects can get your asses killed. I will have none of it.

Whatever spiritual needs I have will be met in an entirely different fashion. I don't care if they burn down every last Church and Temple upon the planet. Your on your own with that if it's a problem for you. Judging by this it's not. Enjoy your Dhimmi lives.

Posted by Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2005-09-19 02:26||   2005-09-19 02:26|| Front Page Top

#6 So the Anglican response to the question "What would Jesus do?" is "Embrace moral relativism!" it seems. Another milestone in the evolution of Christian theology. Soon to be announced - replacing the communion with the sympathetic head tilt.
Posted by ryuge 2005-09-19 03:24||   2005-09-19 03:24|| Front Page Top

#7 They want to organise a major gathering with senior figures from the Muslim community to make a “public act of repentance”.

So these supposed-Christians... do they plan on paying jizya then, or just delaying the inevitable?

Drawing up a 13-point schedule of “Christian principles” in response to the terror crisis, they call for states to “understand” the perspective of their terrorist antagonists.

So these supposed holy men are lecturing us on when and why it's justified to kill thousands of innocents in the name of God? They're no longer Christians, as far as I can tell; they've become mullahs! At the least, they're just leftist politicians in funny robes.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-09-19 07:28|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-09-19 07:28|| Front Page Top

#8 right rc. Saying that these people are "Christians" is like saying that Jessie Jackson is a "civil rights activist".

Civil rights and Christianity are about appealing to man's better nature. Scam artists like Jessie and these wack birds are about scamming people out of their money.
Posted by 2b 2005-09-19 08:31||   2005-09-19 08:31|| Front Page Top

#9 Is the Church of England actually a BBC sitcom?
I can't wait for PBS to pick it up.
Posted by tu3031 2005-09-19 08:42||   2005-09-19 08:42|| Front Page Top

#10 No, deport them to 'understanding and moral' Iran. I'm sure the Mad Mullahs will welcome them with open dungeons arms.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-09-19 08:45||   2005-09-19 08:45|| Front Page Top

#11 Jim Lehrer has Democrats on every night. You should tune it in for good laughs.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-09-19 08:45||   2005-09-19 08:45|| Front Page Top

#12 A preacher once told me that the role of the Church (I write this in an ecumenical sense. I hope that I don't offend anyone.) is to promote Peace, not peace. It is a spiritual mission, not a worldly mission.

Once the Church sent out martyrs and converted the heathen tribes of Eastern and Northern Europe. Now some within it issue reports entitled Countering Terrorism, Power, Violence and Democracy Post 9/11. Countering Democracy? Why not Christianity or morality? After all, who are we to tell anyone else to live their lives.
Posted by 11A5S 2005-09-19 09:24||   2005-09-19 09:24|| Front Page Top

#13  The bishops say that the Government is not likely to show remorse so the churches should.
Go stand by Saddam's mass graves and talk to me about remorse.
Posted by SteveS 2005-09-19 10:01||   2005-09-19 10:01|| Front Page Top

#14 They go on to condemn the Western style of democracy, saying that it cannot be imposed on any other country by force.

Seemed to work in Japan and Germany.
Posted by Chiger Shineng4673 2005-09-19 10:09||   2005-09-19 10:09|| Front Page Top

#15 What the hell is an Anglican?

Oh, them. Aren't they heretics or something?
Posted by mojo">mojo  2005-09-19 10:21||   2005-09-19 10:21|| Front Page Top

#16 Depends on who you ask and how truthful they are Mojo. Heretics or not they tend to be silly and prone to these tourete-like utterances every now and then.
Posted by MunkarKat 2005-09-19 10:29||   2005-09-19 10:29|| Front Page Top

#17 There is certainly a lot of material for a blitz of Institutional Media stories about the folly and menace of the Religious Left.

*crickets*

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-19 10:47|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com]  2005-09-19 10:47|| Front Page Top

#18 This whole article reads to me as .
"Iwanna be in Power(Whine, Whine) "Why isn't anybody listening" (Whine, Whine) I'm supposed to be respected" (Whine, Whine) "You Gotta pay attention" (Whine Whine) "You gotta show respect due to my High Office" (Whine, Whine) "I'm the Real Boss of the world" (Whine, Whine) "What I say Is THE LAW," (really and true, Whine, Whine)
Repeat, Repeat.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-19 11:58||   2005-09-19 11:58|| Front Page Top

#19 These idiots are all a bunch of marxists. They, like college professors, operate in a theoretical world, not in the real world. That is why they hate capitalism and democracy. They love the theoretical construct of marxism and really, really think it can work. They refuse to acknowledge the more than 100 million dead that it produced over the past 100 years. What fools, what utter and complete fools. Great comments Dan D.
Posted by remoteman 2005-09-19 12:08||   2005-09-19 12:08|| Front Page Top

#20  "The bench of bishops should have a proper balance between those who believe in God and those who don't."
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2005-09-19 12:51||   2005-09-19 12:51|| Front Page Top

#21 Dammit, and that was a brand new irony meter.

I stopped buying them about the time I left that denomination. Waste of money at this point.
Posted by MDiv from an Episcopal seminary 2005-09-19 13:02||   2005-09-19 13:02|| Front Page Top

#22 I agree with Redneck and remoteman (#18, #19),and oh yes, .com (#3).
Posted by ex-lib 2005-09-19 13:17||   2005-09-19 13:17|| Front Page Top

#23 But we SHOULD put down all our weapons and welcome our Islamic brethren. War is bad and is killing us. If we only fostered understanding, they wouldn't feel like they had to fight us so much. Democracy is failing. We need to follow these brave leaders--

"They want to organise a major gathering with senior figures from the Muslim community to make a “public act of repentance”.

Well, I know I'm going to be there. Hope you will too.
Posted by Mother Sheehan 2005-09-19 13:21||   2005-09-19 13:21|| Front Page Top

#24 And they wonder why their churches are filled almost exclusively with older people. It's because they can't hear well.
Posted by 2b 2005-09-19 13:50||   2005-09-19 13:50|| Front Page Top

#25 The only way these ridiculous witch-doctors can get any attention, and maybe some petro-dollars in the collection plate, is to shake their feathers and rattle their gourds at Uncle Sam.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-19 13:58|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com]  2005-09-19 13:58|| Front Page Top

#26 I think they are actually aiming at ol' Uncle Saud, AC
Posted by Secret Master 2005-09-19 14:26||   2005-09-19 14:26|| Front Page Top

#27 And another thing...
“act of truth and reconciliation” for the West’s contribution to the problems in Iraq.

I may not remember correctly, but wasn't the Truth and Reconciliation destroyed along with the first Halo?
Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-09-19 15:15||   2005-09-19 15:15|| Front Page Top

#28 Does the British army still have its traditional baggage of Anglican chaplains?

If so, shouldn't they be rounded up and thrown in the stockade as potential enemy agents?
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-09-19 16:15|| http://www.nuclearspace.com]">[http://www.nuclearspace.com]  2005-09-19 16:15|| Front Page Top

#29 1. Let them go to Najaf, and "apologize" to Ayatollah Sistani for the invasion of Iraq. Let them walk down the streets of Najaf, with signs saying "Sorry for getting rid of Saddam" Whatever happens to them, let them turn the other cheek.

2. IF they make it out of Najaf alive, let them come to Tel Aviv, and discuss with holocaust survivors there, whether their stated apology for the holocaust is consistent with their disregard for the danger of nuclear weapons in the hands of a state pledged to the destruction of Israel, and whether that states funding and support to terrorists who kill Israeli civilians should be considered grounds for considering it a rogue state.
Posted by liberalhawk 2005-09-19 16:36||   2005-09-19 16:36|| Front Page Top

#30 When will you apologize to Muslims for NOT supporting the overthrow of Saddam?
Posted by Jafar Talabani, Pres of Iraq 2005-09-19 16:38||   2005-09-19 16:38|| Front Page Top

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