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2005-09-07 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

StrategyPage Iran: Europeans Told To Take a Hike

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Posted by ed 2005-09-07 11:25|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Iranians believe that the EU's threats are empty and that EU attempts to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons will quietly fade away.

I agree. I think at this point that Iran will get the bomb no matter what (unless we invade and/or bomb the crap out of them and I don't see that happening). Perfect anti-ballistic missile technology, deploy it to the gulf and share it with Israel and let Iran know in no uncertain terms that a terrorist attack with nukes would be considared a nuclear attack from Iran and we would respond in kind (aka the cuban missile crisis).

Posted by mmurray821 2005-09-07 11:57|| 2005-09-07 11:57|| Front Page Top

#2 Empty like a hot air balloon.

Posted by Thinesh Ebbosing1077 2005-09-07 15:14|| 2005-09-07 15:14|| Front Page Top

#3 The world in general, with a few notable exceptions, appeases and ignores Iran's threats to use nuclear weapons against Israel. Ballistic missile systems are defensive, and represent a tremendous quantity of expended national treasure to develop and construct, and are not perfect walls of the fortress. Countries like Iran that make threats with nuclear weapons need to be addressed, both above and below the table.

The deal is that when they get nuclear weapons, they WILL give some to proxies to do their dirty little business. And the nukes will not be mounted on missiles. For example, what about bringing a nuke into Gaza? That could be done. If they cannot lob it over the wall, they should be able to set it off near the fence on a breezy day, with the breeze heading toward Israel. Lose some Paleos? BFD. Israel would be uninhabitable in places from the fallout.

We are facing an extremely serious threat and we cannot ignore it. Something will have to be done, and it will have to involve more than defensive missiles. This will be an eleventh hour operation on Armageddon Street, folks.

Posted by Al-Aska Paul 2005-09-07 16:52|| 2005-09-07 16:52|| Front Page Top

#4 The only purpose for Iran to possess atomic weapon is for their use. They are not intended for defense. The plan is to use them against the Great Satan and the Zionist entity in any way they can.

Iran has been at war with the US and Israel from the day the current state of Iran has existed. They declared the war and up to this point have been winning it.

We must deal with the problem sooner or later. No other Nation States will assist us. They feel they have nothing to fear. What they need to fear is a global nuclear exchange. Once this kind of thing starts all bets of restraint is off. Would China not be tempted to sucker punch us if Iran managed to deliver weapons to the US and set them off?

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2005-09-07 17:33|| 2005-09-07 17:33|| Front Page Top

#5 Remember that Israel is only one of several possible Iranian targets. Others include a US fleet in the Med, Persian Gulf or Arabian Sea, which is their best chance for deniability; an attack against US forces in Iraq; and a missile attack against the Saudi oilfields or even Europe.

Carrying a weapon overland is too risky. Their choices against Israel would be either a ship off their coast, either as a launch pad or for fallout, or a missile. Either would carry a substantial risk of being shot down or sunk before its mission or target range could be completed or attained.

The primary target in Israel would most likely not be Tev Aviv, it would be the Jericho II missile installation, to try and neutralize much of Israel's retaliatory capability. This could only be done by missile.

This then, moves their strategy to being one of salvos: firing waves of missiles, some nuclear, some dummy or conventional. Possibly saving an attack from an unexpected direction, most likely out at sea.

Even if some weapons were not missile carried, it would be a missile and anti-missile intensive conflict. There is also a good chance that their efforts would be in tandem with some other power, say Nork.

If the US does has significant anti-missile energy weapon and SAM capability in a theater defense, then the US would own Iran.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-09-07 18:44|| 2005-09-07 18:44|| Front Page Top

#6 Can you say "Straits of Hormuz"?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-09-07 21:39|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-09-07 21:39|| Front Page Top

#7 Being held in contempt by these people is dangerous, and the EU will probably find that out the hard way.

Weakness always attracts predators.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2005-09-07 23:12|| 2005-09-07 23:12|| Front Page Top

#8 If memeory serves I believe it was Saddam's boyz that allegedly fired a few Chicom [dual/nuke-capable SILKWORMS] at US or Allied ships in the Straits, all of which were quickly shot down and struck nothing. I believe it was reported that the SILKWORMS were likely armed only with conventional warheads. In any case, since I believe its evident that 9-11 is about forcing Socialism on the USA, where "justified" = forced upon, we Amers may as well presume that Iran already has a nuke or nuke(s), as the Lefties and their Spetzlamists want US milfors to invade Iran and North Korea, etal. while looking bad in the process. NO MATTER WHAT DUBYA, THE GOP, ANDOR CONSERVATIVES DO, AMERICA IS GOING TO BE CRITICIZED FOR NOT HAVING "PERFECT" OR "ABSOLUTE" INTEL - THE LEFT IS GOING TO CRITICIZE AND POLITICIZE NO MATTER WHETHER THE ROGUES, ONE OR ALL OF THEM, HAVE ONE NUKE OR 1000 NUKES. America must take at worst MINIMALIST MIL ACTIONS WHILE EXPANDING THE SIZE AND REACH OF GOVERNMENT AND UNCONDITIONAL INTERNATIONAL SUBSIDATION.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-09-07 23:14|| 2005-09-07 23:14|| Front Page Top

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