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2024-09-05 Europe

Shooting in Munich in front of the NS Dokuzentrum (and Israeli consulate)

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Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 05:06|| || Front Page|| [11140 views ] Top
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#1 Shooter is reported to have fired with a long rifle. Police shot him dead. Helicopters are searching for other persons. Nobody hurt at the Israeli General Consulate.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 06:00|| 2024-09-05 06:00|| Front Page Top

#2 The suspect is said to have driven up to the Nazi Documentation Center with a long gun. He is then said to have fired at police posts in front of the building - the officers are said to have returned fire. Five police officers were involved,

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 06:09|| 2024-09-05 06:09|| Front Page Top

#3 Via the Times of Israel, which otherwise has even less information:

Schüsse vor dem israelischen Generalkonsulat in München. Das NS-Dokuzentrum ist direkt nebenan. pic.twitter.com/k1r819o9Rj
— Ronen Steinke (@RonenSteinke) September 5, 2024

Guten Morgen, liebe European Conservative! Vielen Dank für die Nachrichten.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 06:26|| 2024-09-05 06:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I suspect the area around the Israeli consulate is fairly well protected. Glad to see there's one less scumbag to steal our precious oxygen.

Posted by DooDahMan 2024-09-05 06:28|| 2024-09-05 06:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Deutsche Welle also reports the gunman started it, and that he subsequently died of his wounds.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 06:37|| 2024-09-05 06:37|| Front Page Top

#6 From EC’s Merkur link, via Google Translate:

Update, 11:32 a.m.: A video is currently circulating on X, which is supposed to show the perpetrator. It shows a young man in a black jacket and red pants. He puts on an antique-looking rifle with a bayonet and shoots. We deliberately do not show the video. The man has brown hair and a short haircut.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 06:44|| 2024-09-05 06:44|| Front Page Top

#7 All Jewish institutions in Munich are guarded by police at all times. There's also a heavy police presence at the main Munich synagogue right now. S and U-Bahn ystations are currently guarded by police with automatic guns. But police says danger has passed.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 06:45|| 2024-09-05 06:45|| Front Page Top

#8 In Frankfurt (am Main) back when we were there, and no doubt still today, the Jewish day school had an armed police guard, according to the headmaster’s nanny. She was friends with our nanny, and used to hang out at our house on her days off.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 07:05|| 2024-09-05 07:05|| Front Page Top

#9 In the 1980s there was a Jewish kindergarten very close to Prinzregentenplatz. Only people who lived there knew that it existed. It was discreetly guarded at all times. Right across the street was (and still is) a police station located in the house that was Hitler's residence in Munich.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 07:15|| 2024-09-05 07:15|| Front Page Top

#10 The name of the terrorist is given as Emra I. His car has a Salzburg number plate and he's said to be an "Austrian" with known Islamist ties.

Emra is a Bosnian name.

The gun is a WW-2 rifle. I'm pretty sure that the Israeli General Consulate was the target (islamists wouldn't care much about a NS Doku Center), and the bayonet speaks for itself. This guy wanted to kill Jews, and many of them.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 07:34|| 2024-09-05 07:34|| Front Page Top

#11 Suspect shot in Munich outside Nazi documentation centre

Posted by Skidmark 2024-09-05 07:41|| 2024-09-05 07:41|| Front Page Top

#12 Video of the 18yo shooter. Obviously not trained to use such a gun.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 08:02|| 2024-09-05 08:02|| Front Page Top

#13 DW.com update:

Media reports point to teenage Islamist from Austria

First reports on the identity of the man started to emerge in Germany and Austria just after lunch.

The joint investigative reporting team of the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper and broadcasters WDR and MDR, typically reliable and with good connections to German security services, reported that the suspect was an Austrian citizen born in 2006.

Similarly, Germany's Der Spiegel, on its website, and Austrian newspaper Der Standard reported that he was an 18-year-old Austrian national. They also said he was already known to security services for Islamist tendencies, and was a resident of the state of Salzburg that borders Bavaria and Germany. He drove to Munich on Thursday morning, they said.

Different reporters confirming details. As I recall, it’s a pleasant drive from Munich to Salzburg, even with small children. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 08:13|| 2024-09-05 08:13|| Front Page Top

#14 It is, but usually done without a rifle (unless you are a hunter or member of a Schützenverein).

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 08:21|| 2024-09-05 08:21|| Front Page Top

#15 It was in the 70s. Absolutely scenic.

Posted by Procopius2k 2024-09-05 08:28|| 2024-09-05 08:28|| Front Page Top

#16 How embarrassing to spend the last few hours of your life parading around in red tights for the whole world to see and videotape.

Posted by Mercutio 2024-09-05 09:30|| 2024-09-05 09:30|| Front Page Top

#17 Definitely no member of a Schützenverein, that's for sure.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 09:34|| 2024-09-05 09:34|| Front Page Top

#18 when will the west awaken to the fact that islam is not just 'another' religion (dar-al-islam vs dar-al-harb) and make them persona-non-grata?

Posted by irish rage boy 2024-09-05 09:58|| 2024-09-05 09:58|| Front Page Top

#19 I don't know, but he looks "mostly peaceful".

Posted by `AlmostAmonymous5839 2024-09-05 10:13|| 2024-09-05 10:13|| Front Page Top

#20 Since when does Deutschland have open carry?

I expect our anti-gun nuts to find someway to use this.

Posted by alanc 2024-09-05 10:30|| 2024-09-05 10:30|| Front Page Top

#21 German politicians have been more concerned with knives lately, so they let this one slip.

Posted by DooDahMan 2024-09-05 10:49|| 2024-09-05 10:49|| Front Page Top

#22 His rifle had a bayonet though. Maybe that wasn't covered by the newest anti-knife law.

Anyway, he's very dead now.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 12:12|| 2024-09-05 12:12|| Front Page Top

#23 Tidbits from the Merkur link: there’s a big Islamist scene in Austria. Young Emra I. had been investigated last year for religious radicalization and interest in explosives and weapons, and links to ISIS were found on his phone, but the investigation was dropped. His phone today contained ISIS propaganda and gaming links. He was banned from having a gun until 2028, but 18th century repeating carabiners (if I have that right) do not require a gun license or permit. Austrian police are currently searching his home in Neumarkt am Wallersee.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 12:50|| 2024-09-05 12:50|| Front Page Top

#24 More about the Islamist scene in Austria:

Also in Austria there is a "very aggressive and relatively large Islamist scene", as Schindler says. "There is a circle of hate preachers there, just like here." The Austrian-born Mohamed Mahmoud was particularly well known: The Islamist was part of the leadership of the Islamic State (IS) in Syria. In 2018, he is said to have died in an air raid on an IS prison in Syria.

Big Islamist scene in Austria

The Islamist scene in Austria feeds less from the Arab region than from Chechnya or Balkan countries, explains expert Schindler. And: "There has been a huge illegal arms trade in Austria for several years. In recent years, the authorities have regularly found camps with hundreds of weapons, but mostly in the right-wing extremist scene. Many weapons would come into the country unnoticed via the Balkan route and are relatively easy to obtain.

Weapon in Munich "extraordinary": "Last seen by an Afghan warlord"

However, the weapon used in Munich is "extraordinary", according to Schindler: "The last time I saw such an ancient repeating rifle on the wall of an Afghan warlord." It is unclear whether the alleged Islamist killed in Munich was known to the authorities as a dangerous person. In Austria, he is reportedly on the screen, but in Germany he is not yet known to the authorities.

According to security circles, the surveillance of dangerous persons in Austria is more difficult than in this country. "The online observation of extremists and terrorists is even more difficult in Austria than in Germany. The Austrian security authorities seem to have even fewer powers than the authorities in Germany," says Hans-Jakob Schindler.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 12:56|| 2024-09-05 12:56|| Front Page Top

#25 The Islamist scene in Austria feeds less from the Arab region than from Chechnya or Balkan countries, explains expert Schindler.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-09-05 13:04|| 2024-09-05 13:04|| Front Page Top

#26 "18th century repeating carabiners (if I have that right) do not require a gun license or permit."

The rifle is probably a Mauser repeater rifle used in WW2 (not 18th century). It was freely available in Germany (and Austria, I guess) until 1976 and now sells cheaply on the black market (300 Euros). It always required a permit, which the shooter was not allowed to have.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 16:18|| 2024-09-05 16:18|| Front Page Top

#27 The Mauser 98 was introduced as early as 1898, before the First World War, in the time of Kaiser Wilhelm II. A legendary, groundbreaking weapon at the time. Mauser proudly writes that it is the ancestor of all bolt-action rifles, often copied but never equaled. The Mauser, also known as the Gewehr 98, is the culmination and also the end of a development. It is a multiple-shot rifle without an automatic firing sequence. The rifle has a magazine with five cartridges, which are individually pushed into the barrel using the conspicuous lever.

During the Second World War, the shorter 98K variant was the standard weapon of the German infantry. The robustness of the breech and the possible accuracy spoke for it. The only disadvantages were the five cartridges in the magazine and the heavy caliber of the cartridges.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 16:24|| 2024-09-05 16:24|| Front Page Top

#28 Thank you for actually knowing what I was trying to talk about, European Conservative. While my German grandfather was a gunnery sergeant in WWI and an avid hunter, and my father was a shooting instructor for Haganah, due to his training as a schoolboy in Latvia, I did not grow up with guns. I’ve actually only physically touched a gun once in my life, and never had occasion to shoot one. I was transcribing what Merkur and Deutsche Welle reported today.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 18:35|| 2024-09-05 18:35|| Front Page Top

#29 You're welcome, tw :-)

Posted by European Conservative 2024-09-05 18:50|| 2024-09-05 18:50|| Front Page Top

#30 More from Deutsche Welle — updated from link above:

DW correspondent Lewis Sanders, reporting from Munich, expanded, saying, "Austrian authorities announced that the shooter was known to them and he had been under investigation last year for suspected radicalization and ties to a terrorist group."

Sanders said, "We have seen local media reports with sources in the security services saying that a raid had taken place at the shooter's residence last year and material related to the Syrian-based militant group al-Nusra, which historically has ties to al-Qaeda, had been found."

Al Nusra/Al Qaeda in addition to ISIS? That fits with things we’ve seen over the years from other young jihadis: they just want someone to sanction their murders — and maybe even pay the cost for supplies and a stipend. They don’t care about the fine points of doctrine and loyalty that differentiate the various jihadi groups and had their elders at daggers drawn, in previous generations.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-09-05 19:40|| 2024-09-05 19:40|| Front Page Top

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