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2007-09-04 Iraq
Harsh justice where U.S. relies on Iraq tribes
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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-09-04 13:28|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ]  Top
 File under: Iraqi Insurgency 

#1 The police had caught two men who had killed another policeman.

...the two killers had lured a policeman to a meeting after they learned he was engaged to marry one of their relatives, and bludgeoned him to death.



And the issue with the removal of these two from the users list of oxygen, food, and water, is what?
Posted by BigEd 2007-09-04 13:39||   2007-09-04 13:39|| Front Page Top

#2 It's clear that in tribal areas it's not simply that justice must be done - it must be seen to be done.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-09-04 14:27|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2007-09-04 14:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Actually, the meticulousness of the sheikhs is impressive, and quite unlike what I understand to be historical practice. This suggests they are predisposed to submitting to the rule of law once the courts are running properly.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-09-04 14:56||   2007-09-04 14:56|| Front Page Top

#4 England has much to learn from these men.
Posted by Excalibur 2007-09-04 15:13||   2007-09-04 15:13|| Front Page Top

#5 Yep, my dead horse all along. Let the tribes run the show so long as no Americans are being physically injured by it. Slow, incremental tweaks over time will work best. Not going to change the thought process over night.
Posted by Broadhead6 2007-09-04 16:02||   2007-09-04 16:02|| Front Page Top

#6 The mayor and police agreed to turn the suspects over. The elders had them shot.
I guess that sometimes it really does take a village.
Posted by Matt 2007-09-04 16:21||   2007-09-04 16:21|| Front Page Top

#7 The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has just issued a "Stay of Execution" on these two men's behalf. It's not too late...is it? :)
Posted by Grinegum Borgia6464 2007-09-04 16:55||   2007-09-04 16:55|| Front Page Top

#8 Notice the general disapproving tone of the article. However, if the jihadis got together and murdered a dozen kids for playing music or some other heinous offense, that would just be "part of their culture". No outrage, no condemnation from the MSM.
Posted by Rambler">Rambler  2007-09-04 17:17||   2007-09-04 17:17|| Front Page Top

#9 I nominate Matt for the coveted Rantburg 'Understated Snark of the Week' award!
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2007-09-04 17:53||   2007-09-04 17:53|| Front Page Top

#10 I've always thought that given the starting place of institutions in the MME if we could move them to a democracy equivalent to the US in 1870 (law west of the Pecos) and then make incremental modernizations we would have the most success.

We should have gone in and taken over central government and run it like a regency and give the locals the responsibility to build up their institutions. After a few years start working them up the ladder.
Posted by AlanC 2007-09-04 18:45||   2007-09-04 18:45|| Front Page Top

#11 I wonder if the tribes could serve in Iraq as the states served in the US. Give each tribe proportional representation in one elected body and equal representation in another...

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2007-09-04 19:18||   2007-09-04 19:18|| Front Page Top

#12 Great story (even relatively non-outrageous, by Reuters standards), great annotations, great comments.
Posted by Verlaine 2007-09-04 19:30||   2007-09-04 19:30|| Front Page Top

#13 The scenario sounds a lot like the Western US circa 1880. Even with the US history of "rule of law" inherited from our forefathers it took a long time before "liberty and justice for all" was common.
Posted by anymouse">anymouse  2007-09-04 20:18||   2007-09-04 20:18|| Front Page Top

#14 Jeez, Bob, that is a brilliant idea! Iraqi tribes = proto-states! Applicable throughout this cultural template.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2007-09-04 21:06||   2007-09-04 21:06|| Front Page Top

#15 I wonder if the tribes could serve in Iraq as the states served in the US.

Unfortunately not. I think the biggest F'up was allowing the Iraqis to write a constitution where the legislature is elected by party slate, not territory based jurisdictions. That means the legislators are loyal only to the party bosses, not local constituencies. So instead of having several hundred competing centers of power, there will only be a few party bosses who run the show. For the Shiites, that means those beholden to the mullahs in Iran who provided them shelter and outmaneuvered naive western leadership (that's Bush and Co.) when they flooded Iraq and eliminated opposition following the invasion. Over time one of the cliques will eliminate the others and dictatorship will form.
Posted by ed 2007-09-04 21:14||   2007-09-04 21:14|| Front Page Top

#16 Judge Abu-Roy Bean?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2007-09-04 22:05||   2007-09-04 22:05|| Front Page Top

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