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2004-09-04 International-UN-NGOs
'Islam is not responsible for Muslim failures'
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Posted by Fred 2004-09-04 11:29:26 AM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 That headline gave me a good laugh.

Muslims need look no further than the Taliban to see Islam and sharia applied to the letter.
Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-09-04 11:44:40 AM||   2004-09-04 11:44:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Musharraf: "Muslims should also compel and urge the West to improve its concept and image of Islam and its followers".

Based on what? Does he think we are suicidal?
We are already improving our concepts and true image of Islam. I guess, in the opposite direction than what he has on mind.
Posted by Zarathustra  2004-09-04 11:45:03 AM||   2004-09-04 11:45:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Somebody should give Mahatir the Coton Mather "You don't Believe Enough" award.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-09-04 11:48:47 AM||   2004-09-04 11:48:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Well the russian school massacre has convinced me about what is Islam is.
Posted by capt joe 2004-09-04 12:15:29 PM||   2004-09-04 12:15:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 " . . . our failures and misfortunes" Yeah, that's what killing innocents in Russia and elsewhere is . . . a Moslem "failure" and "misfortune"!

" . . . he said it was imperative for Muslims to acquire knowledge and hone their skills to build their capacity to defend the Ummah and Islam (their #1 goal), serve suffering humanity (that'll be the day) and ensure the rule of justice (they don't even know what that is) to enable Muslims to effectively face global challenges . . . " "Global challenges, huh?" Like what? I'm not sure I want to know.

"If we accept accusations against others for not being Muslims, then there will be no Muslim left in the entire world,” he said. " Does that mean it's tough to find those shining-star examples? Is Islam that low on "good guys"?

"He said Muslims of great Islamic civilization built cannons, siege machines, catapults, warships and superior steel blades to defend themselves and instill fear in the enemy." They always go back to the violence thingy. Makes their mama's proud.

"Muslims should also compel and urge the West to improve its concept and image of Islam and its followers.” In your dreams. I think Islam should "compel" their own followers to improve themselves into example of prosocial, contributing members of society.

Posted by ex-lib 2004-09-04 12:17:11 PM||   2004-09-04 12:17:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I wasn't aware of any problems with islam. Seems its full steam ahead. But other than destroying it outright, just work on the true meanings more and more.
Posted by Lucky 2004-09-04 12:21:12 PM||   2004-09-04 12:21:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 So what did he say it was? The food?
Posted by tu3031 2004-09-04 12:36:03 PM||   2004-09-04 12:36:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 "Muslims should practice tolerance by eschewing differences in order to become united and strong again.”

This has got to be a translation error. Tolerance through eschewing (ie, "avoiding and staying away from deliberately") differences? Tolerance through uniformity?

That doesn't even make sense in Orwellian terms.
Posted by Mitch H.  2004-09-04 12:59:11 PM|| [http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2004-09-04 12:59:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The attendees of the Global Big Losers Convention fly in on their magic carpets American/European/Russian planes and meet to debate why they're always fucking things up compared to everyone else. The only two things they all have in common are i) they're losers, and ii) they're Muslims. So what's the answer they come up with? What radical realisations have their best minds come up with? Moderation? Secularism? People Power? No: more Islam. And more doing things by the old book. Why do they bother?
Posted by Bulldog  2004-09-04 1:00:06 PM||   2004-09-04 1:00:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 They say that when you keep doing the same thing over an over, expecting the results to be different, it's a sign you're a nut...
Posted by Fred  2004-09-04 1:03:51 PM||   2004-09-04 1:03:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 It's simply amazing. You can look at dozens of different Muslim societies, living in different climates with completely different histories. They have cultures that differ (a bit, at least), and contact with different cultures -- Europe, India, China, Africa, Russia.

Yet they're almost universally violent, misogynist, bigoted, and impoverished. The rare exceptions are glaring, and often seem intent on shoving themselves into the same cesspool.

Factor out the differences -- history, culture, climate -- and you're left with Islam. And the more "fundamental" the form, the worse the situation.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-04 1:42:44 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-09-04 1:42:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 

"Muslims should practice tolerance by eschewing differences in order to become united and strong again."

Mitch and ex-lib, the way I'm parsing this is that the "tolerance" applies only to other Muslims (i.e., within "Islam and the Ummah"), not anybody else. C.F. the last paragraph:

"...differences in interpretations [of Islam- ed.] could not be so severe that Muslims began to accuse each other of not being Muslims. "If we accept accusations against others [read it: "other Muslims" - ed.] for [of] not being Muslims, then there will be no Muslim left in the entire world.."

Or in other words, Muslims shouldn't waste time and resources fighting each other over doctrinal differences when there are so many infidels, crusaders, and jews to kill. The next step will be to blame the infidels, crusaders, and jews for corrupting Islam. So you see, Islam can't be responsible. [Retch...]

Posted by Old Grouch  2004-09-04 2:13:41 PM||   2004-09-04 2:13:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Later thought: Is this a move to try to tie the "moderate Muslims" to the extremists in the name of Islamic unity? (What's Mahathir's rep?) Looks like they're choosing sides... scary.
Posted by Old Grouch  2004-09-04 2:32:40 PM||   2004-09-04 2:32:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 #13 Is this a move to try to tie the "moderate Muslims" to the extremists in the name of Islamic unity?

Uh ... aren't the moderates currently tied to the extremists by a common bond of complete and total silence regarding their "glorious victory" atrocity in Beslan?

Such brave "freedom fighters" terrorists they were too:

[Of the over 350 dead] ... those who died from gunshot wounds, most were shot in the back as they fled the building, he said.
EMPHASIS ADDED

Oh, I get it, just another bit of anomalous conduct by the inadequately faithful. I'm not sure that I really want to see what comes of Muslims being even more faithful than the murderers at Beslan.
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-04 3:05:56 PM||   2004-09-04 3:05:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 What's Mahathir's rep?

Mahathir is a "moderate" who nonetheless regularly mouthes anti-Semitism and Islamic superiority.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-09-04 3:08:24 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2004-09-04 3:08:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 At least the Nazis only wanted to annihilate Jews, Slavs, communists, gypsies, homosexuals, artists, intellectuals, and the disabled. Islam wants to annihilate everyone, including itself. This is the main reason why I support the space program, because it offers the possibility of us eventually building a very large and secure psychiatric unit in space, complete with its own mosque, and perhaps even a population of android infidels for all the patients to smash up.
Posted by Ploog 2004-09-04 5:35:39 PM||   2004-09-04 5:35:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 You left out the handy dandy rail gun for shooting muslims into the sun..errr, paradise.
Posted by Silentbrick  2004-09-04 7:02:08 PM||   2004-09-04 7:02:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Let's see . . .

Christians and Jews have been very successful in various lands, in various professions, at various times.

As Robert Crawford points out, Muslims are universally violent, misogynist, bigoted, and impoverished regardless of location, vocation or era.

Maybe they just need to convert!?

Posted by PlanetDan  2004-09-04 8:36:53 PM||   2004-09-04 8:36:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 â€œIslam is not responsible for our failures and misfortunes, it is because we have deviated from its true teachings,’’ he said.

Ha...haha..ahahaaa...HAAAHHAAAHAAA....HAAAHAHAAA......

HAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-04 8:50:51 PM||   2004-09-04 8:50:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 #16 Islam wants to annihilate everyone, including itself.

And your point is?
Posted by Zenster 2004-09-05 1:09:59 AM||   2004-09-05 1:09:59 AM|| Front Page Top

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