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2005-08-20 Europe

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-08-20 03:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 with no decent police force or intelligence bureau what do you expect, this is really a shame having served in bosnia during the war I found the bosnian muslims no different to anyone else they were good people these outsiders going to bosnia are just going to ruin everything there in a country that is still trying to rebuild itself

Posted by Alex 2005-08-20 03:36|| 2005-08-20 03:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Ok,so what are the Euro's going to do about it?

Posted by raptor 2005-08-20 07:39|| 2005-08-20 07:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Good joke Raptor :)

Posted by Shomonter Threater9114 2005-08-20 09:29|| 2005-08-20 09:29|| Front Page Top

#4 I agree with Alex, very similar to the Malay Incursion and the War of Jenkins Ear. I wasn't in either of course, but I read about them in schools.

Posted by Mini Gun 2005-08-20 09:58|| 2005-08-20 09:58|| Front Page Top

#5 Raptor, just to your knowledge - it was USA and not your "Euro's" who installed moslem jihadists in former Yugoslavia, capisci?
It appears you just bombed fertilizer of wrong guys...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 10:21|| 2005-08-20 10:21|| Front Page Top

#6 My point,Matt,is this is Euorpe's back yard.I ask agin"What are the Euro's going to do about it".Let me guess,wring thier hands moaning whoa is me.

Posted by raptor 2005-08-20 10:59|| 2005-08-20 10:59|| Front Page Top

#7 Raptor - it's easy, just get out of this seasonal statelet(Bosnia)and carve it between Croatia and Serbia.

BTW - did we have any problems with foreign jihadis in former Yugoslavia? I do not think so -the breeding ground was proudly (and how foolishly) made in America...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 11:11|| 2005-08-20 11:11|| Front Page Top

#8 Matt K, I was living in Germany at the time, next door to a lovely Croatian lady who had many Bosnian relatives. For the better part of a year while the initial killing and destruction were going on, I had to listen to the poor woman ask me again and again, "Europe isn't go to do anything about it, so when will President Clinton make it stop?" I could only respond that the EU refused to allow U.S. intervention in what they saw as their area of responsibility. Which, of course, it is. However, all the Europeans did was call meetings, which accomplished nothing except the issuance of communiques. When Clinton finally did send in American troops, the fighting stopped very quickly. Of course, the international troops subsequently garrisoned in Bosnia to keep the peace (I can't remember whether they are NATO or U.N., sorry) have been reported as setting up large brothels, ignoring criminal activity, and doing nothing to rapidly transition the region to independence.

Were there jihadis in Yugoslavia before the war? Only those Tito was training. The jihadis came to protect their brother Muslims when Europe refused to do so. And the jihadis stayed on afterward because they thrive on chaos, which Europe effectively has done nothing to suppress. It's awfully facile to blame America for the troubles on the your side of the pond, and no doubt your fellow deep thinkers applaud your cleverness, but to do so ignores a historical reality that quite enough Rantburgers personaly witnessed, and will not forgive or forget.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-20 11:40|| 2005-08-20 11:40|| Front Page Top

#9 well said trailing wife

Posted by Thraing Hupoluper1864 2005-08-20 11:50|| 2005-08-20 11:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Matt K's almost got the "victimhood" thing down - step two or three to Dhimmitude, while blaming America. Good job, dhimmi

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 12:10|| 2005-08-20 12:10|| Front Page Top

#11 Trailing wife, with all respect - I am sorry you never had any opportunity to talk to any Serbian lady. I bet she would definitely present you another side of the whole story.

And to open your naive eyes a little bit wider I dedicate a short movie (made in ... Muslywood, I guess - dr.Joseph Goebbels would be proud of his peaceful muslim students) to you:

http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/hoax.html

Enjoy...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 12:12|| 2005-08-20 12:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Frank G. - I do repeat: only you ("a giant with an infant's brain" - George Pangalos, former Greek foreign minister) installed this nest of jihadis in the underbelly of Europe. And it would be enough to wash your hands - we all definitely would have less problems with them.

I very fiendly recommend you "The politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer ( http:www.jihadwatch.org )- just $ 19.95 and, believe me, worth every penny)...

PS. As for calling me a "dhimmi" - "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones". In my native country (39 million) we got about ... twenty thousand of them and no CAIR to rant about. Very nice score, I must admit - what about you?

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 12:27|| 2005-08-20 12:27|| Front Page Top

#13 notice your ranting on an American blog? Stand and deliver at home or STFU

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 12:49|| 2005-08-20 12:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Thank you for the due respect, Matt K. However, I did know a Serbian lady -- she ran my favorite bakery in our village, the one the Croatian lady refused to shop at, although they both agreed that their traditional antipathy was absurd... she used to insist on giving my babies each half a roll "to strengthen their gums" before they even had any teeth. The Serbian lady never asked me why America wasn't intervening, for what it's worth, but she did help me practice my German until I was fluent (as did everyone else in our little village. We did enjoy living in Bad Soden am Taunus...Trailing Daughter #1 loved going to the German preschool up the hill, and TD #2 was born in a Frankfurt hospital.)

As to being a naif, to that I confess. Not, however, because I've never lived elsewhere, or been exposed to other ideas, but only because I've been fortunate that others have sheltered me from the worst that the world has to offer. In that I am somewhat of a rare avis here at Rantburg. Most of our denizens have lived "out there" either as civilians or military, many have fought in shooting wars, or been in intelligence analysts, or are non-Americans either now living "out there" or living temporarily or permanently in the U.S. So, Matt K., it would behoove you not to condescend to people here for their presumed American naivete'. Neither is a guaranteed fit.

By the way, in order to butress your own statements, what is your worldly experience? And please, provide references to back up the statement about jihadis in Bosnia being America's fault -- we are always willing to be proved wrong by superior data.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-20 13:09|| 2005-08-20 13:09|| Front Page Top

#15 Frank G. - with people like you America sooner or later will loose. Your answer clearly shows you got no serious contrarguments, just four letter words.

BTW - are you a moderator here to assess and censor anybody's opinions?

PS.Can you tell me, how many "peacuful" muslims illegally enterred your country this year? And how come you sided with certain muslim countries against your Christian brethren?

Definitely, with such a luggage it takes a lot of nerve to call somebody a dhimmi...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 13:11|| 2005-08-20 13:11|| Front Page Top

#16 Personally, I think Matt has a point. Those Serbs had the Muslim problem pretty much taken care of until we stepped in to stop the progress. Alex may think he met some nice Muslims there, but I bet the minute his back was turned they all start muttering about "jihad". That's Islamic gratitude for ya.

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2005-08-20 13:17|| 2005-08-20 13:17|| Front Page Top

#17 heh heh - weak effort. Europe clearly has neither the will, nor means to carry their own water. Check out a mirror lately? Gotta go - it hasn't been enlightening or entertaining - 0 for 2, Matt. Buh-bye

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 13:18|| 2005-08-20 13:18|| Front Page Top

#18 After you, trailing wife, after you...

Are you saying Tito trained jihadis in Yugoslavia? Can you prove it, please - I am impatiently waiting for an answer.

Best regards...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 13:23|| 2005-08-20 13:23|| Front Page Top

#19 Matt K., you continue to make the classic anti-Ameican assumptions. (You offered a book, so let me offer one: Anti-Americanism, by the French journalist-philosopher Jean-Francois Revel. It was originally written in French of course, but has been translated into a number of languages, one of which must be your native tongue.) The percentage of Americans who self-identify as Christian is about the same as in Europe, although in general the American variety tend to be more devout. Atheists/agnostics are somewhere between 11-17% of the population (I can't remember at the moment), Jews and Muslims about 2% each, and the entire panoply of world beliefs for the rest. The Armed Forces contain similar percentages. Nor is the U.S. a Christian nation in the way that European nations think of themselves, that is "Christendom" in opposition to the Muslim World. The founders of this country were mainly Deists of a Christian flavour, which is why they strictly avoided the establishment of any State religion. Nor is there mention of Jesus in any of the early documents, such as the Declaration of Independence.

And here at Rantburg our numbers tend to be similar to the American ones. Fortunately, it wasn't I that you assumed to be Christian, or I'd be really angry with you.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-20 13:26|| 2005-08-20 13:26|| Front Page Top

#20 Scooter - many thanks for your support.

Serbs having problems with muslims? They can blame only themselves for that. Guess what - next door modest Bulgarians took matters in their own hands and quietly cleared their country - do you know hundred twenty seven years ago after gaining independence from Ottoman Turkey they got muslim majority there(now it is below ten percent)?

Have a nice day...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 13:29|| 2005-08-20 13:29|| Front Page Top

#21 Wasn't Atmani involved in a 1992 bombing of an airport in Algeria?

Posted by Colt 2005-08-20 13:33|| www.eurabiantimes.com]">[www.eurabiantimes.com] 2005-08-20 13:33|| Front Page Top

#22 I don't care for the assumption that Bosnian muslims have opened their arms to jihadis and declared Bosnia to be a jihadi friendly zone. Jihadis have always tried to infiltrate and gain support in Bosnia, and have been much less successful than they have been in other places like Somalia or the Sudan. Jihadis are going to try to establish bases wherever they can especially with some traditionally friendly areas much less so. I'm not ready to condemn the entire moslim populace of Bosnia any more than I'm ready to condemn all the residents of Lackawanna or Fairfax, Virgina. That said, the residents of Montana are beginning to make me edgey. I think they might all be kooks.

Posted by Super Hose 2005-08-20 13:47|| 2005-08-20 13:47|| Front Page Top

#23 Are you saying Tito trained jihadis in Yugoslavia? Can you prove it, please - I am impatiently waiting for an answer.

He allowed the PLO to train there. Source: Ion Mohai Pacepa.

Posted by Colt 2005-08-20 14:18|| www.eurabiantimes.com]">[www.eurabiantimes.com] 2005-08-20 14:18|| Front Page Top

#24 Colt - very nice try but ... Mr. Ion Mihai Pacepa is Romanian and it was his, Romanian leader, Nicolae Ceaseascu and not Yugoslaw Josip Broz Tito who allowed to train them on Romanian, not Yugoslav territory.

As far as I know USA did not bomb Bucharest, the capital of Romania, for that.

Best regards...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 14:41|| 2005-08-20 14:41|| Front Page Top

#25 I'll have to agree with Matt K. that the war with Serbia was a pointless exercise. The Serbs were our wartime allies, whereas the Croats and the Muslims cooperated with the Nazis. For once, the French were right. Note that Germany supported its former allies, the Croats and the Muslims. What's wrong with this picture? I find it amusing that the Turks gave us so much credit for rescuing their Turkic brethren in Yugoslavia that they failed to give our troops a path through to northern Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom. By sticking to the Serbs, we alienated the entire Eastern Orthodox World - Greece, Russia and Bulgaria. And for what? It was a nutty idea put into operation by a nutty administration.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-08-20 14:51|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-08-20 14:51|| Front Page Top

#26 Note also how the Germans stuck it to Uncle Sam during Operation Iraqi Freedom despite the fact that we helped out their allies, the Croat and the Muslims, during the Balkans conflict.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-08-20 14:52|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-08-20 14:52|| Front Page Top

#27 Matt you're right. I'm afraid you've uncovered the plan, get in touch, but stay out of 2nd world cars.

Posted by Karl 2005-08-20 16:08|| 2005-08-20 16:08|| Front Page Top

#28 Are you Bulgarian then, Matt K.? Mr. Wife enjoyed the time he spent there and in the other Eastern European countries during the first half of the 1990s. He was priviledged to develop and set up the manufacturing of several American consumer products there after the Iron Curtain fell. He particularly enjoyed his conversations with the local housewives at their homes -- what was lacking with the local products, and how they would use what he invented for them. He once commented how nice it was to see people whose houses contained almost as many books as we have... and how much the local factory workers appreciated the efficiency methods he invented for them so that the factory would stay in businees and they would continue to have jobs... and for the first time make products they could be proud of. He found the contrast much more dramatic than he'd seen in Egypt or India, but then, he'd never before been priviledged to participate in the change of an entire culture.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-20 16:42|| 2005-08-20 16:42|| Front Page Top

#29 Zhang Fe, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. While none of the fighting factions were truly innocent -- and things might have worked out differently had Germany not immediately and unilaterally recognized Croatia as independent -- there was attempted genocide going on. It was necessary to make painfully clear to the combatants that their behaviour was unacceptable ... after which life was much safer for the civilians on all sides. War is one thing; rounding up and killing all the men and boys, then herding the women and girls into rape houses for the pleasure of your troops is quite another. For the record, I don't object to simple ethnic cleansing nearly as strongly... my own parents between them escaped ahead of the Nazis three times, and flourished as soon as they established themselves anew, as can anyone willing to work hard and learn the language and culture of their new location.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-20 16:54|| 2005-08-20 16:54|| Front Page Top

#30 Trailing wife, I agree with you that bad things were going on. The problem I have with Clinton's intervention is this - how was it in the American interest? Iraq and Afghanistan are for establishing deterrence, but Serbia was just a case of Uncle Sam developing amnesia and turning on an old ally, one that resisted becoming a Soviet satellite state. I don't exactly know how many other allies this turned off, but it has got to be the shining example of Uncle Sam discarding allies for no good reason.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-08-20 17:14|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-08-20 17:14|| Front Page Top

#31 TW, The Croatians began the current round of Balkan upheaval. Are you confident the whole story has come out about Croatian atrocities? That would certainly put Serbian actions in a different light.

And why is it taking so long to convict Milosovich if there is such a clear cut case of genocide?

As Bismark said, the Balkans are not worth the bones of a Pomeranian grenadier. That's why the Euros didn't go in till WJC won the war from a heroic 10,000 feet.

The more I learn about what went down there the more I doubt the MSM story that the Serbs are the sole source of evil in the Balkans. We should pull out all US troops now and a pox upon them all.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-08-20 17:23|| 2005-08-20 17:23|| Front Page Top

#32 Trailing wife-I too was living in Germany in the early 90's. Spending most of my time wondering why all the euro's just watched the killings. It was on TV every evening and none of the Euro govts would act. I had a friend from seattle come and tellme very emotionally we, DOD, should be out of europe and go back to the US, mind our own business. She met a Croat in Austria and helped her smuggle food to her family only to find them raped and decapitated. Her Seattle left winged liberalism changed that day. Lucky for her she got out alive. She came back and was angry that we had all the troops and weapons to stop the killing and we just stood by watching. I reminded her who was the pres and his stand on the whole fight and our conversation before she left. Each time this topic comes up I'm reminded of the thousands of Americans in Germany waiting and wanting to help stop the killing.

Posted by 49 pan">49 pan 2005-08-20 17:23|| 2005-08-20 17:23|| Front Page Top

#33 The Balkan debacle isn't new - it's been going on since before Alexander the Great tried to conquer the world. The only time there has been peace in the area is when either all the sides have been kept in check by a greater power, or when the entire region has been so exhausted by war nobody can pick up a weapon. It's difficult to establish peace between factions that are still seething over something that happened 2000 years ago, or an imagined slight from 30 days ago. Even walls won't help bring peace to the Balkans.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-08-20 18:44|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-20 18:44|| Front Page Top

#34 The disfunction of civilization in that part of the world is part of the genetic make up of the peoples who live there. The place literally grows wars. The peoples will never get along without someone like Tito sitting on their chests.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-08-20 18:50|| 2005-08-20 18:50|| Front Page Top

#35 Mr. Ion Mihai Pacepa is Romanian and it was his, Romanian leader, Nicolae Ceaseascu and not Yugoslaw Josip Broz Tito who allowed to train them on Romanian, not Yugoslav territory.

Pacepa has Tito admitting the PLO trained in Yugoslavia in his book. Are you calling him a liar?

Posted by Colt 2005-08-20 19:00|| www.eurabiantimes.com]">[www.eurabiantimes.com] 2005-08-20 19:00|| Front Page Top

#36 Ok,so what are the Euro's going to do about it?

An astute question. Lest we forget that Bosnia was the Euros war (although I side with those who joined the fight). And I thought Iraq was the hellish training ground for Al Qaeda returning to Europe?

Posted by Captain America 2005-08-20 19:02|| 2005-08-20 19:02|| Front Page Top

#37 If they won't/can't clean this up - withdraw from Western Europe - they're fat and morally bankrupt. Don't even talk about the marginal contributions in the Iraq war - give the Germans credit for Afghan aid. Brits are true allies and friends. The EU- century should start by policing their own before they yap at anyone else. Oh, yeah, thanks for giving the Iranians cover time too, assholes

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 19:27|| 2005-08-20 19:27|| Front Page Top

#38 IIRC, someone said that all the odd numbered world wars start in the Balkans.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-08-20 21:10|| 2005-08-20 21:10|| Front Page Top

#39 Trailing wife - me, Bulgarian? It is a vivid proof that you have not carefully red my posts. Since when Bulgaria got thirty nine million people?

The above-mentioned Jean-Francois Revel can be right just to a part of Europe, the western one. On the contrary my homeland, believe or not, is, according to many polls ... the most pro-american country in Europe, with some troops in Iraq and with far higher rate of Christians than your very modest 11-17%.

As for sources to support my claims: let's take for a good start "NATO in the Balkans.Voices of Opposition" published in 1998 by International Action Center in New York, ISBN 0-9656916-2-4, $ 15.95

And to further prove how easily you got fooled by your media, read this, please:

http://matt-marriott.faithweb.com/199810/deichmann_9701.html

Any conclusions, eh?

Best regards...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 21:34|| 2005-08-20 21:34|| Front Page Top

#40 Colt, Pacepa is not a liar - it is you who is bluffing.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/02-11-2002/vo18no03-plo.htm

You bombed the wrong guys...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 21:46|| 2005-08-20 21:46|| Front Page Top

#41 My guess:
Polish

and too young to know the hardships others worked long, hard, and at serious risk to liberate you.Ingrate

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 22:20|| 2005-08-20 22:20|| Front Page Top

#42 Congratulations, Frank G. - you are right.

As for my age - well, I am older than you think. I took part in 1980 strikes and was an active member ot the "Solidarnosc". Judging from your hastily made remarks you must be younger than me.

Good advise for the future(may I?)- cherish your outside friends (it's only your pale, bland piss you call "beer" I hate), you do not have many of them in this bloody world.

Best regards...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 22:34|| 2005-08-20 22:34|| Front Page Top

#43 By the way Frank - tell me when did you, Americans, liberate us? In 1945? In 1980? In 1989?

Communism imploded in Poland, both economically and politically, thanks, first of all, to us and not to you.

Ungrateful, us? You must be kidding...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 22:41|| 2005-08-20 22:41|| Front Page Top

#44 Poland? We did little other than Reagan recognizing Walensa and the movement he fronted. Poland did it on their own (with the Pope's assistance, however you want to measure it).
I take no US credit, though, for Poland's independence - they earned it themselves. Consequently, they will be the last to ever lose it again, IMHO. BTW - I'm 45

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 22:46|| 2005-08-20 22:46|| Front Page Top

#45 Matt K.,

It seems that your making a rookie mistake in the blog world. You're firing all cylinders all on one post and you're going to run out gas. Stop and save your energy for other posts. The Rottweilers at RB picked up your scent 1000MBits away. If you are planning on staying at RB, then cease fire.

If this is a fire and forget session for you, then please proceed. I could easily tell you are running out of gas due to the fact that your latter posts are of the "save my pride" quality.

Don't forget that you are not around your brain washed Euro friends when you post on this blog. Any nonsense gets immediate retaliation.

I believe that you are just getting started in the blog world and you fell for the European propaganda that Americans are uneducated and of jungle quality. I think you are finding out quickly not to believe the European spin about the intellect of the American people.

Just in case if your wondering: I see that you are being well taken care of at this restaurant, which is the reason that you haven't seen any of my rebuttals.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-20 22:48|| 2005-08-20 22:48|| Front Page Top

#46 surprised that I respect the Poles' sacrifice and courage? I would hope that I will be able to say the same for Iraqis (kurds at least) in a few years. Poland has been treated by the EU as a doormat IMO. we should and are, doing better

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 22:51|| 2005-08-20 22:51|| Front Page Top

#47 Matt K.... Dzien dobry! It don't matter in the long run if anyone agrees with you or not. It doesn't matter if you are challanged and nipped at by chihuahas or rottweilers. Oni sou pic'ky. One thing I will agree to is that you stand up for yourself, and a man who won't stand up for himself doesn't stand for nothing...

Posted by Fun Dung Poo 2005-08-20 23:00|| 2005-08-20 23:00|| Front Page Top

#48 my ingrate comment was as to your Polish elders/betters - those who led the fight, took the beatings. I don't wish to see muslim extremists in Croatia or Bosnia, nor do I wish them in Albania, but excusing the Serb (and roatian) atrocities is something European, I refuse that cup

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 23:10|| 2005-08-20 23:10|| Front Page Top

#49 Fun,

You are missing my point. It's not about standing up for yourself. He came to RB. RB didn't go to him. Matt is not standing up for himself. RB is standing up for him/herself. If Matt continues, he going end up standing alone, not up. If Bosnia is the only subject matter that he knows, then what about the other hunderds of articles. I want Matt to stick around but he is in danger of burning out.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-20 23:16|| 2005-08-20 23:16|| Front Page Top

#50 Oni sou pic'ky

Dude, I hope that was "picky" and not the phonetic spelling of the Polish word for "pussies". If the latter, then you called everyone here a pussy, as in "they're pussies". And I hope that your "they" does not refer to Americans, in general.

Dude, care to clarify?

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-20 23:17|| 2005-08-20 23:17|| Front Page Top

#51 That was for Fun Dung Poo.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-20 23:18|| 2005-08-20 23:18|| Front Page Top

#52 BTW, Matt K, if you couldn't tell - If my remarks and assumptions about your age/sacrifice/contributions are mistaken - per your comments - (something only you would know), then you have my sincerest apologies. I've been wrong before, and will be again....that's a given.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-20 23:22|| 2005-08-20 23:22|| Front Page Top

#53 Poison Reverse - are a moderator here or you are just trying to intimidate me?

I well understand that listening to any critic at this forum is too much for you.Do you, by any chance, mean: "right or wrong it's my country"?

With such a narrow attitude another nation totally remodelled Europe about sixty - sixty-five years ago.

I do repeat - those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. You solidly got brainwashed too - have you ever heard about Ruder Finn and their dirty kitchen?

Diagnosing I am out of steam? SPoHS - as late Marlon Brando would say. If you want to exchange info about Bosnia and all the mess there, I wouls be more than happy.

All the best...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 23:24|| 2005-08-20 23:24|| Front Page Top

#54 Frank G. - I got thick skin, don't you worry. And, believe me, I do like America and their people (with the above-mentioned exception, which is the pale, bland, weak piss you all call "beer" there)

As for Bosnia - I have been sitting in the subject for years. I honestly guarantee you - all three parts( not just villified Serbs, your allies in two world wars but Croats and muslims as well) got their paws well bloodied in the above conflict.

And, do you know, what's the saddest thing? That there's and won't be no end of it - tribal hatreds are very much alive there.

Have a good night...

PS. If you ever visit ... Victoria, BC, call me - I can gladly introduce you to a real beer...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 23:36|| 2005-08-20 23:36|| Front Page Top

#55 Interesting to note that the International Action Center MattK cites is actually a Ramsey Clark/tranzi site.

The same Ramsey Clark defending Saddam Hussein.

The site is anti defense, anti military, probably pro socialist and definiately pro terrorist.

Nice try, MattK. You chose the wrong site to take a dump.

Why don't you go back to shining Ramsey Clark's boots while he passes love notes to his client or whatever you do to make money.

Posted by badanov 2005-08-20 23:38|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2005-08-20 23:38|| Front Page Top

#56 Matt,

I am not a moderator nor am I trying to intimidate you. Personally, I could care less about you. You couldn't touch my broad intellect with a 10ft/3.048780m pole. I am just honestly trying to help you out.

Time will tell. I will be on the lookout for your intellect, outside the Bosnia subject matter. Oh wise one, I am ready to be taught by you.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-20 23:41|| 2005-08-20 23:41|| Front Page Top

#57 Ni hao ma, Fun Dung Poo?

Thank's for a good word. As for "oni sou picky" - this is in Czech and not Polish. Anyway, since both languages are similar, I've well understood your point

The main problem here is some of us here do not know we all got sceletons in our closets. The sooner they find out the better for them and them and the country.

All the best...

Posted by Matt K. 2005-08-20 23:44|| 2005-08-20 23:44|| Front Page Top

#58 With such a narrow attitude another nation totally remodelled Europe about sixty - sixty-five years ago.

I think MattK just lost the argument with that reference. Bery sporting of you to conede defeat.

Using references to Hitler or Nazi Germany to insult the other side or to bolster your own stanbding is a sign you have thrown in the towel, MattK. Them's the rules.

Thanks for declaring defeat. Come back when you are ready to debate like a man.

Posted by badanov 2005-08-20 23:45|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2005-08-20 23:45|| Front Page Top

#59 I've well understood your point

So have I, and I still would like a clarification.

BTW Matt, are you posting from Poland?

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-20 23:45|| 2005-08-20 23:45|| Front Page Top

#60 BTW Matt, are you posting from Poland?

I never heard of "Parent's Basement" called Poland!

Posted by badanov 2005-08-20 23:49|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2005-08-20 23:49|| Front Page Top

#61 Still waiting Fun... or have you run away? Don't worry, everyone get's their cover blown once in a while.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-20 23:53|| 2005-08-20 23:53|| Front Page Top

#62 You have 7 minutes, hurry up

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-20 23:54|| 2005-08-20 23:54|| Front Page Top

#63 Ahhh. I hadn't bothered to learn the populations of the various European countries -- they keep changing whenever someone is born... or dies. Mr. Wife is a *cki, whose father was taught in Polish until he was twelve. That was a common experience in the many Polish communities along the Great Lakes in those days. Mr. Wife's name is apparently quite common in Poland, and people there assumed therefore he spoke the language, but all he knows is words like pic'ky... and thank goodness he was tactful enough not to speak to the older ones in German! It was our lovely Polish au pair, Katyrzyna, who told us that one of the highest compliments in the Polish lexicon is "american," to describe a really comfortable sofa, or a thoughtful husband ;-)

As I recall, the Poles are upwards of 95% Catholic Christians, much higher than the ~70% of Americans who are Christian. It's the atheists/agnostics who number 11-17% over here.

Mrs. D, my apologies. I wrote you a wonderfully witty and erudite response, but it seems to have disappered into the ether. No doubt I somehow pushed the wrong button. At any rate, I agree that the Croatians were not innocent parties to the madness. Indeed, had Germany not impetuously recognized Croat independence without consulting anyone, perhaps things could have been worked out with less violence, much like the breakup of Czechoslovakia; the Slovak politicians agitated for secession, so Vaclav Havel approved dissolving the union -- for which the Slovaks were heartily sorry afterward, when the Czech Republic stopped supporting them. It was many years before the Slovak society and economy started to recover.

As for Milosovich, the European Court made him their star case. They've been playing at trying him for a long time, which justifies the five-star lunches, I suppose.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-20 23:58|| 2005-08-20 23:58|| Front Page Top

#64 Aha. I think the Polish for pussy is pronounced picka, and they don't mean kittens. But then, Rafael is a former Czech who now lives somewhere in the wilds of Canada, just like Matt K., it appears.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-21 00:05|| 2005-08-21 00:05|| Front Page Top

#65 And Matt, dear, Poison Reverse was trying to do you a little kindness. We try to handle things here so that the moderators don't have to get involved -- that way they don't feel required to block anybody's IP or send all someone's comments to the sink trap.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-21 00:10|| 2005-08-21 00:10|| Front Page Top

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