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2004-08-19 Iraq-Jordan
US pushes into Baghdad Shia area (Sadr city)
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Posted by Lux 2004-08-19 05:17|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 One of Mr Sadr's spokesmen, Sheikh Hassan al-Zerkani, told the BBC that the cleric's offer was genuine, but guarantees needed to come from the occupiers, not the occupied

I'm getting the impression that the Iraqi's don't have as much patience for these types of free-pass, buzz-words as we do. If I was the Tater, I'd be reeeally concerned that I was about to experience some Iraqi one-on-one.
Posted by B 2004-08-19 5:43:37 AM||   2004-08-19 5:43:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Wa happen guys? I thought you brave Americanos argued once you saved the Shia population from those bad Baathist Sunni's, why are you fighting those repressed poor souls, finishing Saddams work?
Posted by Murat 2004-08-19 7:43:19 AM||   2004-08-19 7:43:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Fuck off and die, Murat.
Posted by Mitch H.  2004-08-19 7:55:07 AM|| [http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2004-08-19 7:55:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 No, pigf*cker, because of that buck-toothed fat pudding in Najaf, hiding behind women and kids - peace doesn't stem from the kalashnikkov but the ballot box. Something the Wahabbis of Fallujah are due to find out.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-08-19 7:56:47 AM||   2004-08-19 7:56:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Hey Howard DUcK go wash your mouth. So now they are Wahabbis, are you sure its not the Taliban? I understand your confusion all bearded tulband wearing Islamo terrorists right? Question: whom are you going to liberate anyway (except the oil that is)?
Posted by Murat 2004-08-19 8:07:42 AM||   2004-08-19 8:07:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Iranian tools is all they are, RAT. Blow a kurd for autonomy today? Tulband? We RB'ers used to have intelligent trolls, wha' happened? We're beset by unintelligible anti-US garbage and moon-eyed islamo-apologists....
Posted by Frank G  2004-08-19 8:14:41 AM||   2004-08-19 8:14:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Pigf*cker - Judging by the large ex-pat Iraqi community in London, there are quite a few people who can now return to rebuild their lives - and the ones I have encountered - academics - are very thankful. Wahabbis in Fallujah? That's what the reports have been saying - no music/alcohol/fun etc. Not surprised if there are Saudis in there - one imagines they'd be quite nervous about having a functioning democracy on their border.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-08-19 8:17:09 AM||   2004-08-19 8:17:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Confusion? You mean like when a smelly, stupid second-rater blames the Kurds for what was al-Qaeda's doing in Turkey?
Posted by BMN 2004-08-19 8:35:28 AM||   2004-08-19 8:35:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 BMN -- don't forget that when he was called on it, he started claiming that people who pointed out his idiocy were, themselves, Kurds.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-19 9:11:40 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-08-19 9:11:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Sadr could use some quality U.K. dentistry.
Posted by Trolling for Allan 2004-08-19 9:18:07 AM||   2004-08-19 9:18:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Murat: I thought you brave Americanos argued once you saved the Shia population from those bad Baathist Sunni's, why are you fighting those repressed poor souls, finishing Saddams work?

Murat is confused, since these are the Shiites quislings who helped Saddam do his dirty work, slaughtering other Shiites for money from Saddam. Besides, who cares - as long as Muslim jihadis are being sent to paradise - we don't really discriminate between Sunnis or Shiites - or Arabs and Turks.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-08-19 9:43:25 AM|| [http://www.polipundit.com]  2004-08-19 9:43:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Or Persians even.
Posted by FlameBait93268 2004-08-19 9:46:16 AM||   2004-08-19 9:46:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 MuRAT you simpleton...

This is a desperate attempt by Iranian backed forces to disrupt the Iraqis from setting up a unified democratic government.

They goaded Sadr into betraying the main line SHia's and occupying the Shrine his father used to run. For Sadr, its all about control of the money generated by the shrine of Imam Ali.

So the central government needs to show that it will not tolerate private militias - and they (with our help) take down the Sadr gang. Serves as an object lesson to others.

Sort of like how the Turkish government deals with Kurdish seperatists. You ought to know that one by now you disingenuous little bastard son of a sow.
Posted by OldSpook 2004-08-19 9:47:01 AM||   2004-08-19 9:47:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Murat, If memory serves you were civil on this board for the past few weeks. Why the sudden anger and baiting?
Posted by yank 2004-08-19 9:58:45 AM|| [http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com]  2004-08-19 9:58:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Here are the Maps you need to get your bearings. From GlobalSecurity, of course...
Posted by .com 2004-08-19 10:05:03 AM||   2004-08-19 10:05:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I thought you brave Americanos argued once you saved the Shia population from those bad Baathist Sunni's...

We did save the Shia population, as we saved all the populations in Iraq. If your religion taught you the value of gratitude owed when someone else sacrifices blood and sweat for your benefit ("your" in this case meaning the region of the Middle East), you would understand that.

Why are you fighting those repressed poor souls, finishing Saddams work?

Your error is in your question. Which are repressed souls-the ones continuing a reign of terror against neighbors, brothers, and friends, or the ones we are helping to build schools, hospitals, etc for? You are confused.
Posted by jules 187 2004-08-19 10:15:38 AM||   2004-08-19 10:15:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 I am still civil compared to most of the forumers here Yank, just be neutral for a momemt read the messages of the people directing it to me and tell me who is civil, be honnest.
Posted by Murat 2004-08-19 10:16:40 AM||   2004-08-19 10:16:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 pigfunker.
Posted by Howard UK 2004-08-19 10:18:09 AM||   2004-08-19 10:18:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Jules
We did save the Shia population, as we saved all the populations in Iraq. If your religion taught you the value of gratitude owed when someone else sacrifices blood and sweat for your benefit ("your" in this case meaning the region of the Middle East), you would understand that.

Well saving people by bombarding them, occupying them, apointing rulers for them and stealing their oil is not really "saving", my understanding of it is different.
Posted by Murat 2004-08-19 10:20:53 AM||   2004-08-19 10:20:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Murat, you catch shit because shit is all you put out. Your last message is a prime example.

Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-19 10:22:37 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-08-19 10:22:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 If you would be so kind, Murat, substantiate your argument that we're stealing their oil.
Posted by jules 187 2004-08-19 10:25:29 AM||   2004-08-19 10:25:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Rather than us “stealing your oil”, what you should really be worried about, Murat, is that pencil sized fuel cell technology that was talked about yesterday. After that we won’t need to “steal” your oil anymore.
Posted by B 2004-08-19 10:25:38 AM||   2004-08-19 10:25:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 Murat: Well saving people by bombarding them, occupying them, apointing rulers for them and stealing their oil is not really "saving", my understanding of it is different.

Isn't that kind of simplistic? We're bombarding the bad guys, killing the bad guys for the Iraqi people, shepherding them through the democratic process and buying their oil. Now, compare that to what Mesopotamians endured under Turkish rule - centuries of stagnation punctuated by Turkish massacres of Arabs opposed to Turkish imperialism. Turks are just jealous that Iraq will become a much more advanced country than Turkey, and all it will have taken was an American invasion. Maybe that's the solution to Turkey's woes.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-08-19 10:28:30 AM|| [http://www.polipundit.com]  2004-08-19 10:28:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Jesus, no, ZF!

Let the Turks give their native Islamists free reign for a while, first.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-08-19 10:30:04 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-08-19 10:30:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 I thought you brave Americanos argued once you saved the Shia population from those bad Baathist Sunni's, why are you fighting those repressed poor souls, finishing Saddams work?

This might come as a surprise to you, but Sadr and his armed followers != "the Shia population". They may be part of it, but they don't speak for all the Iraqi Shiites any more than bin Laden speaks for all the Sunnis.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-08-19 11:50:18 AM||   2004-08-19 11:50:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 You mean to say that you can give it out but you can't take it, Murat? You come in here with your bullshit about the Kurds, claim Americans are stealing oil, kiss Michael Moore's ass, etc...and strangely enough when you're called on it, whine that people aren't civil here?

Tough shit. I can't help it that you're insignificant.
Posted by BMN 2004-08-19 11:56:48 AM||   2004-08-19 11:56:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 'Wa happen guys? I thought you brave Americanos argued once you saved the Shia population from those bad Baathist Sunni's, why are you fighting those repressed poor souls, finishing Saddams work?"
Yes the reactions are over the top but your comments seem designed to provoke that sort of reaction.
Posted by yank 2004-08-19 2:25:13 PM|| [http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com]  2004-08-19 2:25:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Knew 27 comments meant a troll.
Posted by michael  2004-08-19 3:04:53 PM||   2004-08-19 3:04:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 LOL Michael. I think there were two or three exceptions..... a Christmas thread? Lucky going berserk after the BCS game?
Posted by Shipman 2004-08-19 4:28:28 PM||   2004-08-19 4:28:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 A travesty I tell ya. A BCS travesty!
Posted by Lucky 2004-08-20 12:03:36 AM||   2004-08-20 12:03:36 AM|| Front Page Top

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