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2006-08-17 India-Pakistan

Musharraf for joint management of Kashmir

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Posted by john 2006-08-17 11:55|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Does Perv want a pony also?

Posted by john 2006-08-17 12:01|| 2006-08-17 12:01|| Front Page Top

#2 Dehli should shift gears and support Kashmir independence. The ball would start rolling and before you know it Pakistan would be wracked by independence movements that would tear them apart.

Then if Dehli allows Punjab (or Kalistan) to vote for independence or not they could ensure they have a solid nation, or a friendly independent tough as nails nation as a buffer between them and disintegrating Pakistan.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-17 12:38|| 2006-08-17 12:38|| Front Page Top

#3 That cuts both ways. If Kashmir gets independence, twenty other Indian states will demand the same. India would fall apart first.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-08-17 12:50|| 2006-08-17 12:50|| Front Page Top

#4 There are politicians all over India who would just love to have the ability to print their own currency, loot their own treasuries, parade around the UN giving speeches etc.

India would fragment into many pieces and turn into another africa.

There are many parts of India as bad as africa but having a federal governemnt, courts, armed forces provides a way out for them. There is money from Delhi for development, corrupt local governments are dismissed, ministers jailed.

Micro-nationalism only leads to savagery.

Posted by john 2006-08-17 12:51|| 2006-08-17 12:51|| Front Page Top

#5 Photos by Margaret Bourke-White taken the last time a part of India was given Independence

Posted by john 2006-08-17 12:58|| 2006-08-17 12:58|| Front Page Top

#6 In the name of Allan the merciful...

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-08-17 13:06|| 2006-08-17 13:06|| Front Page Top

#7 Isn't there already a problem because there aren't enough vultures to dispose of the bodies of the sect that uses that method? (I think it's the Sikhs, but I'm not sure, and that isn't the point anyway.) I assume the pictures are of the establishment of Pakistan. Am I correct, john?

If Dehi were to support Kashmiri independence, then Pakistani interference would only get worse, once Kashmir didn't have the Indian Army to fight interference for them. Once upon a time Kashmir was rich, but that was before Pakistan's pet jihadis started killing people and breaking things on the Indian side of the border.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-17 13:10|| 2006-08-17 13:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Over ten million people forced to leave their homes and move across an international border.

And for what?
According to the Pakistani writer Ayaz Amir...

What then was partition all about

"But to recap the usual factors held responsible for the founding of Pakistan, Islam was not in danger in pre-1947 India. Indeed, considering the sectarian violence and religious bigotry we face today, it was in better health then. Nor was democracy the issue because even if partition had not happened, India was getting democracy once the British left. The Indian Independence Act promised that.

So what was the compelling reason for the Muslims to insist on a separate homeland especially when there was no going around the uncomfortable fact that, no matter how generously the frontiers of the new state were drawn, an uncomfortably large number of Muslims would remain in India?

The purpose of Pakistan, transcending anything to do with safeguarding Islam or promoting democracy, was to create conditions for the Muslims of India, or those who found themselves in the new state, to recreate the days of their lost glory."

Posted by john 2006-08-17 13:18|| 2006-08-17 13:18|| Front Page Top

#9 Isn't there already a problem because there aren't enough vultures to dispose of the bodies of the sect that uses that method? (I think it's the Sikhs, but I'm not sure, and that isn't the point anyway.) I assume the pictures are of the establishment of Pakistan. Am I correct, john?

The towers of silence, where bodies are placed for the vultures to consume are built by the Zoarastrians, who fled to India from Iran to escape persecuation centuries ago.

During partition in 1947, there was mass cremation of bodies.. when wood ran out, they used kerosene and oil.

Posted by john 2006-08-17 13:21|| 2006-08-17 13:21|| Front Page Top

#10 A glimpse at what an "independent" Kashmir would be like

Srinagar, Aug 16: Chairman of a faction of Hurriyat Conference Syed Ali Shah Geelani on Wednesday said Kashmir was never a part of India and accused its leaders and troops of occupying it by deceit.

Kashmir is natural part of Pakistan. It has 7000 miles of border with it and shares similar cultural bonding. But India through deceit in 1947 illegally occupied it and we are fighting for its freedom since then,
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What kind of Kashmir do you see after you get freedom? Will it be Islamic or secular? a man from the crowd asked Geelani. Islam and secularism have no relation. Islam is a complete way of life. It has its own culture. Islam doesnt ask you dont sing but it tells you to recite Naat. Allah will not accept any way of life other than Islam, the veteran leader replied.
See what America is doing in the name of secularism in Iraq and Israel in Lebanon. America is a big terrorist and enemy of Islam, he said.

Posted by john 2006-08-17 13:35|| 2006-08-17 13:35|| Front Page Top

#11 And this is the "moderate" Hurriyat...

Posted by john 2006-08-17 13:43|| 2006-08-17 13:43|| Front Page Top

#12 John, thanks for the history lesson and the photos. A worthwhile addition to Rantburg University.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-08-17 15:17|| 2006-08-17 15:17|| Front Page Top

#13 I still say to john:

If you are not writing your book yet, you should be.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-08-17 15:27|| 2006-08-17 15:27|| Front Page Top

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