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2006-08-15 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Israel vows to pursue Hezbollah leaders despite ceasefire
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Posted by Fred 2006-08-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Annan is just as guilty of war crimes as Milosevic was; I'd like to see him and most of the UN hierarchy locked up in a US prison for fraud, theft and corruption. As for Hezb's leaders, Israel should make it clearly known that they are safe nowhere and that sooner or later the long arm of the Mossad WILL kill them. For the rest of Nasrallah's hopefully short life he should never sleep peacefully again. Last, I hope the Israelis are really loading up to give the Islamofascists the worst butt-kicking they've ever had in the next round. That should include destroying the Iranian embassy in Beirut and blowing up most of Damascus. The only thing they understand is death. Give it to them until they finally see the light.
Posted by mac 2006-08-15 00:15||   2006-08-15 00:15|| Front Page Top

#2 mac - ain't gonna happen 'til the Israeli's get a leader with a functioning backbone.
Posted by PBMcL 2006-08-15 00:53||   2006-08-15 00:53|| Front Page Top

#3 Hell sometimes I wish *we* had a leader with a functioning backbone.

Immigration
Iran
Leaks
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Posted by CrazyFool 2006-08-15 00:56||   2006-08-15 00:56|| Front Page Top

#4 CF - can't say I'm much of a GWB fan, either. But the thought of J. F'n Kerry as Prez... *shudder*
Posted by PBMcL 2006-08-15 01:15||   2006-08-15 01:15|| Front Page Top

#5 CrazyFool - That's a demonstrably stupid statement. Shine my knob.
Posted by flyover 2006-08-15 01:50||   2006-08-15 01:50|| Front Page Top

#6  IMO the IDF Generals and Pols know their real enemy = LT agenda is the isolation and containment of Radical Iran, and that Israel = USA have a legit stake in ME Muslim nations avoiding near-term andor long-term dominance by Tehran. I agree wid Sean Hanity that the IDF could easily take all of Lebanon if it wanted to, but there are bigger agendas in play here. Israel = USA = West have to verify the loyalties of ME Muslims vv Tehran. Lebanon = Syria = Jordan, etc. > may dislike or hate Israel, but the sword of Radical Iran also points at them. THE ENEMY OF THEIR ENEMY ISRAEL IS NOT THEIR FRIEND.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-08-15 02:40||   2006-08-15 02:40|| Front Page Top

#7 To anyone else who feels Bush is some wimp jellyfish -- .com occasionally had a go at this stupidity. I think he was right, too, though I fear I will never be able to defend reality as ably as he did, dammit. Honestly speaking, no one should have to remind us to think and act and comment as grown-ups. This is petty thoughtless ankle-biting deserving of zero respect. As .com said, give blame and credit where due. That precludes sweeping condemnation, just as it does any sort of sainthood. Reality. Try it out once in awhile.

Even Zenster, who really doesn't like Bush, LOL, has the stones to call it fair and square - and he gets my no-bullshit respect for doing so. :)

Bush was the man on whose watch the shit hit the fan, thanks to us. He has responded to the challenges far far better than the alternatives we could've been stuck with. Perfect? No. But spineless? Hell fucking no.

Saying Bush is spineless is just grossly asinine and dishonest. Saying you wish his focus and efforts mirrored your want list is minimally acceptable, but still moronic - no one gets everything they want - ever. Disputing his admin's actions on individual issues and making your case is the honest and admirable course.

No one is perfect. Not even Reagan or Truman or Lincoln or TDR or anyone else got it all right - except maybe Washington. I take a backseat to no one when it comes to grumbling and grousing and bitching - you only need to ask the poor hospital staff who put up with me for 3 solid weeks without Rantburg and only CNN for news, LOL, but I can handle reality - and the reality is that Bush has done a LOT right. He does what he thinks is right and keeps his word. That's as honest ask we'll ever get. The unassailable evidence is how hated he is by the BDS Left. That we're seeing evidence here of a BDS Right really pisses me off. It's dishonest bullshit - and I reserve the right to show my disrespect for childish crybaby comments.

All of your points are actually legislative or legal issues, or both. I'll grant that he is not using the Bully Pulpit as you wish is as close as this bitching BS comes to reality.

The immigration issue is evolving - keep the pressure on your reps and the message will continue to solidify that half-measures and amnesty won't cut it - the public will not stand for it. We've been injured, badly I'm afraid, by the Simcox / Minutemen money handling, dammit. Did you notice that it took the righteous public outrage on this issue right off the front page? We must not stop pushing. Bush is getting it ever so slowly. I agree - it IS one of the things that I feel he's far too soft on - but he will follow us when the pressure breaks the threshold and drags enough legislators out of the shadows. So keep it on. Do your part.

The leaks issue is working its way through the legal system - and moving in the right direction, is it not? This is a nation of laws and Bush, despite those who are salivating to impeach him, follows those laws. If the Repubs lose the House, the DhimmiDems will certainly start the impeachment circus. Nothing will be achieved from that point on, so we MUST not allow that to happen in November. This is an Or Else point. Do everything you can to prevent it happening. Your future, and mine, depend upon it.

The Iran issue is also progressing. Look at where we were 2.5 yrs ago with the EU3 playing the fool and look at today. The Mullahs are inexorably hanging themselves on their own public actions and statements. Hell, the Iranian proxy Hezbollah have even helped out by making Israel center-stage. We owe them a debt of gratitude for such a stupid move at this juncture. It didn't take the focus off Iran's nukes, rather it has emphasized just how dangerous they are - on several fronts - and nukes aren't the only reason they must be dealt with. Even the dolts who will ankle-bite us currying favor with the 3rd World dictators if we knock them off are secretly hoping we will do what they haven't the balls to do.

Bush's REAL hurdle is domestic politics - and we have some control over that debate. He does not have the joint resolution in hand that allows him to act against Iran. He knows more about the timeline involved than we do. So far, he's been correct about it, wouldn't you say? Seen the Iranians parading a deliverable nuke, yet? You KNOW they would - they can't help themselves. This issue ain't OVER, so why the defeatist bullshit?

He is doing what he can under the law. If the Mullahs continue isolating themselves and proving their true intent, the destruction of Israel and hegemony over the oil of the M.E., Bush will eventually get the go ahead from our cowardly Senate to destroy them. Somewhere down the line will come the straw that breaks the Tranzi resistance - an issue which can't be denied. Israel's survival is probably that issue. More, Mullahs. Keep it up you fools. He's started publicly calling the asshats what they are. One more step, dragging a complacent and cowardly US public at large down the road of reality. I like it. Expect more... just not on your personal pet private timeline.

Want to do something other than kvetch? Write your fucking Senator and demand she / he sign the House resolution as written and passed. Otherwise, STFU about it - that is where Bush is stuck and where you can do more than just bitch. Fantasy wanking about what you'd do or what he should do or yadda yadda yadda in public is just embarrassing. Demonstrate personal honesty by acknowledging the facts, not putting forth your dreamworld where you get everything you want.

He ain't perfect, but he's the best of the lot and has earned far more respect than this shit.

I don't feel better, but I'm done.
Posted by flyover 2006-08-15 03:51||   2006-08-15 03:51|| Front Page Top

#8 He ain't perfect,

....and the alternative was?
Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-15 03:53||   2006-08-15 03:53|| Front Page Top

#9 OK, so that was a rather stupid statement - and I apologize for that.

I have a lot of respect for President Bush and what he has been able to accomplish. There are some areas where (at least lately) he doesn't appear to be all that bold. And your right to think of the alternative (President Kerry?) makes me shudder.

Sorry for offending your sensibilities Flyover. I guess I had to have a go at stupidity too...
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-08-15 08:26||   2006-08-15 08:26|| Front Page Top

#10 Thank you for that, flyover. I'll read it over a few more times today, and hopefully I'll start to feel better about things -- all this time I was sure Olmert had a rabbit tucked up his sleeve, so I'm taking its absence badly. I've cousins over there, and more cousins and friends in Europe within reach of Iranian missiles, so I'm taking it all a bit too personally.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-15 10:35||   2006-08-15 10:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Wahhahahaha TW.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-15 10:45||   2006-08-15 10:45|| Front Page Top

#12 We all do sometimes, CF. Lord knows I do. As long as you don't get stuck there, like on D.U.M.B. or Daily Cooz.
Posted by Jackal">Jackal  2006-08-15 10:49|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2006-08-15 10:49|| Front Page Top

#13 Oh don’t be GWB Playa Hayta…it could be worse…right? Well isn’t that all fine and frickin’ dandy. Read the Senates version of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”. You know…the one. The one Ted F’n Kennedy wrote. Yep…it’s the same one GWB has endorsed. Do you honestly believe Bush is sincere? Or maybe, just maybe, he’s stroking it? If you’re leaning towards the latter then CrazyFool’s backbone comments need no apologies. I didn’t like it when Billy Tsunami went prime time to convince us he wasn’t getting hummers in the oval office and this is worse. Apologies in advance for the vulgarity but this is a backdoor dry-run without as much as a reach-around.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-08-15 11:27||   2006-08-15 11:27|| Front Page Top

#14 Well that was pretty incoherent, DepotGuy. Drunk so early? So you're a single-issue kind of guy and if Bushy doesn't get on the stick and satisfy your personal agenda on 1 item he's a loser? Flush everything? Asstard. You entirely missed the points made. Talk about a dry run without a reach-around.
Posted by Thravinter Glorong4667 2006-08-15 12:11||   2006-08-15 12:11|| Front Page Top

#15 I'll take a shot at Bush. Why does he allow the MSM to frame the debate ? There are things he could have done to screw the MSM, but he wants to come off like a good guy. For years, anywhere Bush went, crouds lined the streets waving pictures of their family at him. All that time, the MSM worked it's little ass off undermining Bush and his programs. They drew blood, and Bush has yet to retaliate.
Sure, he started strong, but he softened.
Bush will be pres for 8 years. During that time, I would have had Karl Rove organize and lead a grass roots effort to overwhelm every democrat running for office in every red state and most blue states until the democrat party was a mere memory. Then, I would take on the blue states and expose every scandle and investigate every vote. The democrats would be on the defensive and their name would be synonymous with corruption.
It wouldn't have taken much more than focus and effort to achieve all that. By now the war at home would already be over, and we could focus on the splodydope element without interference.
Posted by wxjames 2006-08-15 13:20||   2006-08-15 13:20|| Front Page Top

#16 flyover, one more thing. I'm from Pennsylvania, where Bush found it necessary to endorse Specter while we conservatives were ready to replace that jerkoff with Pat Toomey as OUR senator. Pennsylvania could be a red state with a little help, but we got shit.
Posted by wxjames 2006-08-15 13:26||   2006-08-15 13:26|| Front Page Top

#17 “Well that was pretty incoherent, DepotGuy…You entirely missed the points made…”

Dear TG 4667,

Here’s a little advice should you be so inclined to accept. Before you put words into people’s mouth it helps if you know what you’re talking about otherwise you might come off sounding like a tool. Just so were clear, I understood the points that were made perfectly. And guess what…I still think Bush has handled the immigration issue badly. Not only that, I don’t think anybody has to apologize for characterizing his actions on that issue as “spineless”. In fact I think that is a very appropriate description. What do you think of those apples? You sound pretty clever with that “Asstard” stuff but just in case I’ll explain. I can respect opinions that I don’t share. What I don’t respect is the load of disingenuous bullshit the administration is peddling. Frankly it seems odd coming from an administration that, for the most part, means what it says and says what it means. So I have to ask myself what is different about this issue. I suspect they sold out for political expediency. And I find that objectionable.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-08-15 17:00||   2006-08-15 17:00|| Front Page Top

#18 If the Mullahs continue isolating themselves and proving their true intent, the destruction of Israel and hegemony over the oil of the M.E., Bush will eventually get the go ahead from our cowardly Senate to destroy them. (flyover)

Does really Bush need the approbation of the Senate to attack Iran ? I remember that Reagan decided without any Senate backing to bomb Lybia in retaliation for the Berlin bombing that had killed 4 US soldiers.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-15 17:09||   2006-08-15 17:09|| Front Page Top

#19 leroidavid, while I think that technically President Bush got the go-ahead to do whatever he deems necessary to fight the War on Terror with the first Senate votes following the September 11th attacks, historically he has gone back to get additional approvals -- in order to make things bi-partisan, I think. Similarly, he keeps going back to the US Security Council for agreement on sanctioning Syria and Iran, and the current nonsense in Lebanon. I don't understand it, but as far as I can tell, Mr. Bush strongly needs to develop consenses for these major steps.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-15 17:39||   2006-08-15 17:39|| Front Page Top

#20 Even Zenster, who really doesn't like Bush, LOL, has the stones to call it fair and square - and he gets my no-bullshit respect for doing so. :)

Bush was the man on whose watch the shit hit the fan, thanks to us. He has responded to the challenges far far better than the alternatives we could've been stuck with. Perfect? No. But spineless? Hell fucking no.

Agreed on all points, flyover. Gore (or Kerry, for that matter) would probably still be mulling over alternative responses to the 9-11 atrocity. It just goes beyond me why Bush has not painted Iran much more vividly for the terror sponsor and aspiring nuclear power that they are. Properly framing the mullahs and their constant evil-doing would better prepare the American public for the badly needed destruction of Iran's military
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-15 17:57||   2006-08-15 17:57|| Front Page Top

#21 Likely as not Bush is avoiding the Iranian issue because there's little to be gained from dragging it into the public arena. Everyone knows what Iran intends to do, no one will join the US in stopping them, and a lot of bellicose rhetoric will do little other than stir up a hornet's nest of anti-US sentiment while alerting the Iranians that we're losing patience with them. Better to just set an internal deadline and stick to it without telegraphing our intentions. Or at least I'd like to believe that's how it's being played in Washington.
Posted by AzCat 2006-08-15 18:18||   2006-08-15 18:18|| Front Page Top

#22 Bush strongly needs to develop consenses for these major steps. (trailing wife)

But when Bush will decide to attack Iran (I can't imagine he won't), I suppose it's going to be a surprise massive aerial attack... Asking the Senate for its approval would undercut the advantage of the surprise.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-15 18:23||   2006-08-15 18:23|| Front Page Top

#23 I think you should imagine real hard leroidavid. Bush is not going to bomb Iran unless we are hit first. He doesn't have the political capital to do it and I don't think he has the military support either. That's not to say they don't think it should be done, I just don't think they want to do it now. They are, after all, rather tuckered after 3+years of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The military just isn't that big anymore.

Flyover, I like Bush but I've got lots and lots of beefs with the administration. They've let congress spend like drunken fools without a single fricken veto (until the stem cell stupidity). Heck he lead the way on that prescription drug fiasco. That is bad governing in my book, especially in a time of war. His communication department is always in react mode particularly over the conduct of the war. The immigration response is also weak.

Again, I think he is a good guy and no comparison to the alternatives we could have had. But there is a lot of room for criticism and it is not single issue.
Posted by remoteman 2006-08-15 18:53||   2006-08-15 18:53|| Front Page Top

#24 The political capital point is moot; second term. Minor quibble.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2006-08-15 23:14||   2006-08-15 23:14|| Front Page Top

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