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2006-08-10 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
IDF Incensed At PM's Spinelessness -- US Approved Attacking Syria
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Posted by Anonymoose 2006-08-10 17:57|| || Front Page|| [11140 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Guess Tony Snow didn't get the memo
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 18:16||   2006-08-10 18:16|| Front Page Top

#2 from NRO
more on the potential deal [Rich Lowry]

From JPost:
Among the ideas being discussed was a "substantially beefed up UNIFIL" force to be made up of German, Italian, Spanish and Australian troops that would move south to the border with the Lebanese Army and deploy where the IDF moves out. Another idea was for a French force to accompany the Lebanese Army.

Senior sources in Jerusalem said, however, that there has been a major shift in the French position over the last week, with French President Jacques Chirac hesitant about committing French troops after seeing the difficulty Israel has had with Hizbullah over the last month. France was initially the major force working for deployment of an international force.

More (let’s hope this deal is worth it):

The security cabinet's decision to widen the operation Wednesday, dependent on a final okay from Olmert and Peretz, led the US to publicly disagree with Israel for the first time since the war broke out.

Following the decision, White House spokesman Tony Snow said that moving deeper into Lebanon did not correspond with American policy.

"We want an end to violence and we do not want escalations," Snow told reports at President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.

According to diplomatic officials in Israel and in Washington, the US was concerned that a widespread military offensive on behalf of Israel could undermine attempts to reach a new agreement between the US and France over a UN resolution.

Posted at 5:37 PM
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 18:20||   2006-08-10 18:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Very interesting. I wondered why the IDF was just pussyfooting around there. Olmert must have never heard of Viet Nam.

"L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace."
Posted by Parabellum 2006-08-10 18:28||   2006-08-10 18:28|| Front Page Top

#4 John Howard won't commit any significant numbers of troops. Any Oz contribution will be token.

If the French are getting cold feet then the 'international force' is DOA.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-08-10 18:28|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-08-10 18:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Very interesting. Somebody in Israel has blown it big time. It will be interesting to find out who. Halutz and Olmert seem like the front runners.

And if we gave them the green light on Syria and they didn't go, well that could have real repercussions in the future. The survival of Israel is not a necessary condition to the survival of the US.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 18:30||   2006-08-10 18:30|| Front Page Top

#6 As posted in another thread...if the Israeli Govt cannot / will not defend it's population, then is the state itself even necessary? It's population may be better off finding protection under other governments.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-08-10 18:35||   2006-08-10 18:35|| Front Page Top

#7 The Frogs probably figured Israel would squash Hezb'Allah and all they would have to do was mop up. Now there's a real force in Hezb (or at least so the Hezbos now think) and no real force in Israel. Being inbetween those would be a very dangerous place.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 18:38||   2006-08-10 18:38|| Front Page Top

#8 Olmert is a loser.

Since the beginning of this war, I was wondering why the IAF hadn't immediatly bombed the Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut, which was an obvious military decision.

It's very clear Olmert is a bad leader. He was an attorney before entering politics, and he can't understand that you can't negociate with people who want to exterminate you.

And not only has he been jeopardizing Israel with his awful handling of this war, but he is working to tie the hands of Israel for the future. When there will be an international force in South Lebanon, Israel will no more be able to fight Hezbollah, but Hezbollah will still fire rockets on Israel.

Dismiss Olmert, and bring back Netanyahu !
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 18:51||   2006-08-10 18:51|| Front Page Top

#9 WOW!

The implications are enormous. Oh what could have been. Iran's reaction to Syria being bitch slaped would have been very interesting.

How many military personel do we currently have in Germany, Korea & Japan?
Posted by RJB in JC MO 2006-08-10 18:52||   2006-08-10 18:52|| Front Page Top

#10 Olmert you dumbass, the US wanted an excuse to take out Iran and all they needed was you to blowup Syria, so Iran would come to its aid and we would have taken the nuke threat away. Now we are going to have to do it the hard way, no wonder Condi trying for a cease fire he don't want to fight.
Posted by djohn66 2006-08-10 18:57||   2006-08-10 18:57|| Front Page Top

#11 Good grief, this is grim to read. Is webinsider a reliable source? - I'm just hoping that this is DEBKA-esque, or that this is more disinformation.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-10 19:02||   2006-08-10 19:02|| Front Page Top

#12 If true, Olmert is disgraced and should resign immediately
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-10 19:15||   2006-08-10 19:15|| Front Page Top

#13 If this is or not true is not really relevant to think that Olmert is an incompetent. After 1 week air power that was already clear. New war in 1 year and i am being optimist.
Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-10 19:32||   2006-08-10 19:32|| Front Page Top

#14 acknowledged there's more to lay at his feet, but overtly changing governments in the middle of a war isn't to be done lightly, IMHO
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-10 19:44||   2006-08-10 19:44|| Front Page Top

#15 Yeah, but the next war is gonna be a blood bath. That's what was supposed to be avoided by taking out Hiz-B now.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-08-10 19:46||   2006-08-10 19:46|| Front Page Top

#16 Cleret I think you are right, but even before that you will have a new Israeli PM. Bibi will be back in the chair before you know it. The US backing of Israel looks pretty foolish if they won't fight. The second time this happens (open war between Hezb and Israel) there will be no warning and no holding back. Amazing.
Posted by remoteman 2006-08-10 19:48||   2006-08-10 19:48|| Front Page Top

#17 This is what must come from letting lawyers lead a nation. Lawyers think they can negotiate with satan and come out on top or unscathed.

These clowns have to go.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-08-10 19:53|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2006-08-10 19:53|| Front Page Top

#18 If the info here is credible, then Olmert will find a unique place in Israeli history.

Many ways to skin a cat. You hate to see a prime opportunity squandered by fluke chance - Ari's bad health leading to Olmert's emergence at a pivotal moment. This has been brewing for a long time...

I am grieved most because of the huge political advantages and opportunities lost - imagine what bold Israeli action would have done to open the door for the US to get directly involved without further domestic poltical meandering and bullshit.

Iran will fall. Syria will implode. Hezbollah will disintegrate into the usual Paleo-style twinks.

Now much better than later. Later better than never.
Posted by flyover 2006-08-10 20:04||   2006-08-10 20:04|| Front Page Top

#19 Although the Premier has yet to admit his decision, let alone provide a satisfactory explanation, it seems that he hoped futilely for a limited war. A prominent wheeler-dealer attorney-negotiator prior to entering politics, he may have thought that he could succeed by the military option of filing a lawsuit as a negotiating ploy, very useful when you represent the rich and powerful, as he always had. Another motive may have been his desire to limit the economic damage by projecting a limited rather than total war to the international financial powers that be.

Will someone please tell this f&ckwit that there is no way to fight a conventional "limited war" against an enemy that is hell bent on religiously motivated genocide.

The only "limited war" against terrorist Islam will involve a "limited" number of nuclear weapons. Something that looks more likely with each new atrocity passing day.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-10 20:16||   2006-08-10 20:16|| Front Page Top

#20 L: It's very clear Olmert is a bad leader.

But who made it possible for him to become Prime Minister, based on pie-in-the-sky notions of Israeli detente and land-for-peace deals with the Palestinians? The electorate. They are now paying the price for their foolishness.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-08-10 20:25|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2006-08-10 20:25|| Front Page Top

#21 Flatten the Iranian Embassy in Beirut - take out the entire grid square. Iran doesn't recognize the sanctity of other nation's Embassies, so theirs should be fair game. Then, after it is a smoldering crater, Israel should apologize mildly. Oops, we thought we were attacking a combattant command and control HQ. Our apologies.
Posted by Lone Ranger 2006-08-10 20:26||   2006-08-10 20:26|| Front Page Top

#22 Sound like the IDF had a good plan. A successful flanking maneuver is the beginning, middle, and end of any battle. It's a real shame Olmert was too stupid to follow the plan.
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2006-08-10 20:31||   2006-08-10 20:31|| Front Page Top

#23 Iran doesn't recognize the sanctity of other nation's Embassies, so theirs should be fair game.

File under: Gander - Sauce For
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-10 20:38||   2006-08-10 20:38|| Front Page Top

#24 Hell fire, if Olmert did not know how to attack an embassy, all he had to do is to call Slick Willie and he (for a nominal fee) will tell how he did it in Serbia back in the Monica dayz.
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2006-08-10 21:17||   2006-08-10 21:17|| Front Page Top

#25 surprise air onslaught against the Hezbollah high command in Beirut, before they would have had time to relocate to their underground bunkers. ... followed immediately by large scale airborne and seaborne landing operations, in order to get several divisions on the Litani River line, enabling them to outflank Hezbollah's "Maginot line" in southern Lebanon. This would have surprised Hezbollah, which would have had to come out of its fortifications and confront the IDF in the open, in order to avoid being isolated, hunted down and eventually starved into a humiliating submission.

Thos look like an awfully familiar plan with familiar words.

Damn shame their guys couldn't sell it to the pacifist idiot leftists who have put their national survival (and our attempts at regional stability) in the sh*tter.

LESSON:

DO NOT PUT PACIFIST LIBERALS IN COMMAND DURING WAR.

PERIOD.

Got that America? Or we end up learning the same lessons, writ much larger, with an order of magnitude more deaths.

I say this, if the pacifists take power and manage to get us clobbered, they will be exterminated politically in the US. Kos, that means you and your nutroots. Remember, in an anarchy, the anarchists are always the first ones against the wall.






Posted by Oldspook 2006-08-10 21:18||   2006-08-10 21:18|| Front Page Top

#26 It wasn't a time of war till the Pacifist Liberals got into office. If only Arik had eaten fewer cheeseburgers.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 22:33||   2006-08-10 22:33|| Front Page Top

#27 Or if only we could resurrect Golda.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-10 22:35||   2006-08-10 22:35|| Front Page Top

#28 OS, ya'took words from my mouth.
Posted by twobyfour 2006-08-10 22:42||   2006-08-10 22:42|| Front Page Top

#29 Golda Meir, Dayan, Ben Gurion, any of them would be OK... even the Rabin of the 6 Days War...
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 22:42||   2006-08-10 22:42|| Front Page Top

#30 Spot on, leroidavid. I'd recall Dayan if I could. I guess Bibi will have to clean up the mess and prepare for the follow-on carnage to come.
Posted by flyover 2006-08-10 22:48||   2006-08-10 22:48|| Front Page Top

#31 olmert in a word = Socialist

Hi allegiance is to the Comintern, not his own state.
Posted by Glolusing Chains9685 2006-08-10 23:06||   2006-08-10 23:06|| Front Page Top

#32 It also seems that he owes allegiance to his wife, witch is a pacifist moonbat.
Posted by twobyfour 2006-08-10 23:36||   2006-08-10 23:36|| Front Page Top

#33 This is so ironic everytime Israel would fight the US told them to back off. Now the US is telling Israel to fight and their leadership wants to back off.
Posted by djohn66 2006-08-10 23:44||   2006-08-10 23:44|| Front Page Top

#34 Yes, ironic, and tragic.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 23:47||   2006-08-10 23:47|| Front Page Top

#35 Not sure if this article is real but it confirms exactly what has had me fuming the last couple days when it became obvious Olmert didn’t have the sack.

We need a Causi Belli to bomb the brakes of the Iranian military and nuke program to buy US enough time to get Iraq together and RR our forces. Israel needed Causi Belli to devastate the Paleo terrorist headquarters in Damascus. It was perfect Hezbo’s jumped gave it to US. The LLL lites Hilary, CNN, ect… were on board hell even the SUNNI governments were on board at first Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia’s head Imam issued a Fatah that Hezbollah was EVIL.

The situation was unheard able in history perfect ripe for the taken. Now its totally upside down I don’t know who screwed the pooch Olmert seems high on the list I don’t know but its FUBAR big time.

Of course the Radicals are well known for making insane suicidal decisions due to underestimating their enemies. They may instead of accepting believe the hype and go for broke which will put Olmert into either risk being Impeached Removed by popular sentiment or give the green light.

Who knows the next week will tell.

And give me a break on the Causi Belli thing its late and I just cant remember how the hell its written so it may or may not be right don’t look right that’s for sure.
Posted by C-Low 2006-08-10 23:59||   2006-08-10 23:59|| Front Page Top

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