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2006-08-10 Britain
'Plot to blow up planes' foiled
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Posted by ryuge 2006-08-10 01:31|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Stumble and FALL, bit**es. Stumble and fall.
Posted by newc">newc  2006-08-10 01:47||   2006-08-10 01:47|| Front Page Top

#2 More
Posted by tipper 2006-08-10 02:32||   2006-08-10 02:32|| Front Page Top

#3 From the article;


The Department for Transport set out the details of the security measures at UK airports.


THREAT LEVEL
The current threat level is assessed as critical as of 10th August 2006 - this means that an attack is expected imminently and indicates an extremely high level of threat to the UK
MI5 statement

Passengers will not be allowed to take any hand luggage on to any flights in the UK, the department said.

Only the barest essentials - including passports and wallets - will be allowed to be carried on board in transparent plastic bags.

"We hope that these measures, which are being kept under review by the government, will need to be in place for a limited period only," the statement said.

BBC journalist Joe Lynam encountered the increased security measures at Gatwick airport.

"I was handed a piece of paper saying that pretty much nothing could be taken on board the plane," he said.

"Everything had to be checked in and that includes mobile phones, ipods, wallets - even spectacle cases had to be checked in."

David Learmount from Flight International Magazine said he expected passengers to be searched much more carefully.

He added: "This is the first time this measure has actually been taken. Certainly I've never seen hand luggage banned."


Something else to thank the RoP for.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-10 02:39||   2006-08-10 02:39|| Front Page Top

#4 Only a matter of time before some Muzzi plot succeeds.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-10 03:20||   2006-08-10 03:20|| Front Page Top

#5 Debka says 20 of 'Pakistani origin' arrested.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-08-10 03:54|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-08-10 03:54|| Front Page Top

#6 Dissident Irish Republicans bet ya! ;D
Posted by Howard UK 2006-08-10 05:45||   2006-08-10 05:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Any money british born scroungers/students!!!!

Bite the hand that feeds them!Makes me sick!!!
Posted by Cheregum Crelet7867 2006-08-10 06:06||   2006-08-10 06:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Stop feeding and put the rabid dog down.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2006-08-10 06:14||   2006-08-10 06:14|| Front Page Top

#9 What was that plot KSM planned for Asia by blowing up 11 airplanes in the 90's....wasnt it called "Operation Bojinka"??

Can we have a new Khalid Sheik Mohmmand out there....this was grand scale stuff.

Posted by Chenter Unimp7361 2006-08-10 06:21||   2006-08-10 06:21|| Front Page Top

#10 Airplanes, why do they hate them.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2006-08-10 06:29||   2006-08-10 06:29|| Front Page Top

#11 Probably under nourished, impoverished lads who are simply wanting to be heard
Posted by Captain America 2006-08-10 06:30||   2006-08-10 06:30|| Front Page Top

#12 
Ship ALL Muzzies back to their country of origin, quarantine them there. No flights in, no flight out of Muslim land. Let them stew in their own hate.

Cut all economic aid, seize all foreign assets, seize their oil fields. They want the 7th century, then let us impose it on them. We will have to gut these cultures like a catfish, they're truly failed societies.

-M
Posted by Manolo 2006-08-10 06:53||   2006-08-10 06:53|| Front Page Top

#13 Here is a psychotropic drug that can unlock those inner impoverished feelings.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-08-10 06:59||   2006-08-10 06:59|| Front Page Top

#14 up to 50 suspects - 21 arrested so far
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-10 07:50||   2006-08-10 07:50|| Front Page Top

#15 The Brits news conference was so politically correct and careful not to offend any group. They did say that most were of Pakistani origins. The West has to get over the tip toeing around and walking on egg shells. We need to quit worrying about hurting some group's feeling that is trying to destroy us. What a crock of sh*t.
Posted by Granter Jonter9832 2006-08-10 07:51||   2006-08-10 07:51|| Front Page Top

#16 I blame BLAIR and his multi cultural dream.

We are invested on this small island of ours.In London 1 in 3 are non white!
Posted by Cheregum Crelet7867 2006-08-10 07:54||   2006-08-10 07:54|| Front Page Top

#17 Sometimes I wonder if the plot is actually to blow up the planes, or just to create the threat so as to make air travel even more of a hassle than it already is. The latter scenario has an awfully high 'benefit/cost' ratio (from enemy perspective.)
Posted by glenmore">glenmore  2006-08-10 07:56||   2006-08-10 07:56|| Front Page Top

#18 AQ has wanted to blow up a number of aircraft in flight, international. The plan has failed on a number of tries, looks like this is the latest. One thing I gotta give them is AQ is persistant. The West must remain vigilant.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-08-10 08:01||   2006-08-10 08:01|| Front Page Top

#19 Disruption is disruption whether the planes go down or not. Glenmore, The cost benefit ratio has to be very low and the enemy probably knows this. Rumors and plots don't cost much.
Posted by JohnQC 2006-08-10 08:01||   2006-08-10 08:01|| Front Page Top

#20 BBB's (British Born Bastards).

A significant # of British Muslims have said they will not cooperate with the police. A smaller, but also troubling # agree with the aims of al qaeda. I believe part of the reason for this is because a portion of nonmuslim British society creates a fertile environment for this.

There's a strong belief among the useful idiot Left that suicide bombers are desperate; that these people resort to such tactics because they are downtrodden and oppressed. Help me understand how 21 "Brits" from the suburbs are suffering? Here's a clue: they're not. The Left, supported by Galloway, al-guardian, the BBC and others truly fail to see this. Instead, I'm sure they believe they're more savvy than the rest of us. In fact, I'm sure they feel they can see what we're blind to -- that it's Western Imperialism and Israel that has caused all of this turmoil.

But clearly, that's not the case. In fact, their apologist stance provides the fuel that makes this all possible. They've created a culture that excuses, allows -- or worse -- promotes jihadi thinking and actions. Instead of condemning ANY atrocities wherever they occur, they allow Israel and the USA to be scapegoats and implicitly enable these horrors to perpetuate.
Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan  2006-08-10 08:05||   2006-08-10 08:05|| Front Page Top

#21 News reports say "no liquids" allowed on aircraft. Sounds like the islamonuts were going to use liquid explosives. Anyone have more details?
Posted by Spot">Spot  2006-08-10 08:13||   2006-08-10 08:13|| Front Page Top

#22 Correction PD. useful idiot Left useless, complicit, idiot Left
Posted by JohnQC 2006-08-10 08:18||   2006-08-10 08:18|| Front Page Top

#23 Liquid explosives were part of the "Bojinka" plan, and I believe were used in a test-murder leading up to that plan.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-08-10 08:24|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-08-10 08:24|| Front Page Top

#24 JohnQC:

the term "useful idiot" was coined by Karl Marx to describe people who are duped by ideology and used by people in power to do their work.

But, "useless, complicit idiots" also works for me!
Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan  2006-08-10 08:30||   2006-08-10 08:30|| Front Page Top

#25 PlanetDan,

the left see muslims as useful idiots in their plan to "suicide" the exisiting western culture.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2006-08-10 08:32||   2006-08-10 08:32|| Front Page Top

#26 PD, They could be useful idiots if used properly. It would take a fair amount of preparation and retreading, however.
Posted by JohnQC 2006-08-10 08:33||   2006-08-10 08:33|| Front Page Top

#27 "We are invested on this small island of ours.In London 1 in 3 are non white!"

Even if one thought it was ok to generalize to all muslims from that portion that support this sort of thing, whats the logic to identifying Hindu Indians, Christian West Indians, etc as part of the problem?
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-10 09:36||   2006-08-10 09:36|| Front Page Top

#28 Lib bloggers already blaming Bush et al. for master-minding this new wave of fear due to Lieberman defeat.

See here: It's Karl Rove!
Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-08-10 09:40|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]  2006-08-10 09:40|| Front Page Top

#29 
Behold the Peace® of Islam
Posted by RD 2006-08-10 09:53||   2006-08-10 09:53|| Front Page Top

#30 Finsbury Park?
Posted by eLarson 2006-08-10 09:54|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2006-08-10 09:54|| Front Page Top

#31 
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Posted by RD 2006-08-10 09:56||   2006-08-10 09:56|| Front Page Top

#32 They like "liquids?" LIQUIFY THEM!
Posted by Besoeker 2006-08-10 10:06||   2006-08-10 10:06|| Front Page Top

#33 Right on cue: Tears of frustration at UK airports. In which the reporter interviews a whiny, crying 18-year old who 'just wants a cigarette.'
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-08-10 10:35||   2006-08-10 10:35|| Front Page Top

#34 Is anyone suprised that the 18 year old Sea mentioned is from.... San Francisco?
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-08-10 10:47||   2006-08-10 10:47|| Front Page Top

#35 'Murder on an Unimaginable scale'

BRITISH police foiled a plot to blow up aircraft mid-flight between Britain and the United States in what Washington said might have been an attempted al-Qaeda operation.

“We are confident we have disrupted a plan by terrorists to cause untold death and destruction,” said London police Deputy Commissioner Paul Stephenson. “Put simply, this was intended to be mass murder on an unimaginable scale.”

Terrorists had targeted United, American and Continental airlines, two US counter-terrorism officials said.

US Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said: “This operation is in some respects suggestive of an al-Qaeda plot, but because the investigation is still under way, we cannot yet form a definitive conclusion. “While this operation was centred in Great Britain, it was sophisticated, it had a lot of members and it was international in scope.”
While British police sources did not rule out an al-Qaeda link, they played down the idea of direct involvement by the global militant group.

Britain and the United States both stepped up security, causing severe delays at airports following the announcement of the plot, which a police source said was believed to involve a “liquid chemical” device.

Unconfirmed media reports said anywhere from six to 10 airliners had been targeted in the plot.

The US Department of Homeland Security raised the threat level for passenger aircraft to “red”, its highest level, for the first time. US authorities banned liquids, including drinks, hair gels and lotions, from US commercial flights.

Britain's security services upped the threat level in the country to “critical” from “severe”, the highest of its five ratings, which means “an attack is expected imminently”.

Interior Minister John Reid said police were confident the main players had been detained in raids overnight. Twenty-one people had been arrested.

The head of London's counter-terrorist police, Peter Clarke, said the plot had “global dimensions” and Stephenson said British authorities were cooperating with foreign agencies.

The security alert comes 13 months after four British Islamist suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured about 700 on London's transport network.

Authorities declined to give the nationalities of those arrested. A police source said some were British.

Arrests were made in the capital London, the southeast of England and Britain's second biggest city Birmingham.

Last month, al-Qaeda called on Muslims to fight those who backed Israel's attacks on Lebanon and warned of more attacks unless US and British forces pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda hijacked passenger aircraft in September 2001 to destroy the World Trade Centre in New York, and Briton Richard Reid was arrested in December 2001 for trying to blow up a plane headed to the United States.

“This liquid explosive type of attack is particularly worrying. Planes remain vulnerable and in the coming weeks terrorists will be thinking of something else to do that we have no idea about,” Peter Neumann, director of the Centre for Defence Studies at London's King's College university, said.

“If this had worked out it would have been beyond any doubt the biggest terrorist plot in the UK.”

The British Airports Authority BAA said it had asked all European carriers to suspend flights to London's main Heathrow airport, where tighter security measures caused severe delays.

Airlines said no hand baggage would be let on planes leaving British airports, banning electrical or battery powered items. Passengers had to hand over all liquids, including contact lens solutions, on flights to the United States.

The plot appeared similar to a 1995 plan to blow up 11 planes using nitroglycerine mixed in contact lens solution and a battery-powered detonator.

Source
Posted by Oztralian 2006-08-10 10:53||   2006-08-10 10:53|| Front Page Top

#36 Question. I know it would be satisfying to have the authorities say these were Muslim males between 16-and-32 or whatever but does it really make a difference? Do you think there is a single person in the Western world that doesn't think that anyway when these reports come out. Yeah the multi-cultural filters might apply on some so they would never say it out loud but I'm pretty sure the non-retarded folk out there have sensed the pattern long ago and I hope the authorities do some behavioral profiling to match even if they are very careful about it and grab little old white ladies from time to time for cover.

I would go so far as to say it might be advantageious for two reasons: (1) It provides the Islamic nuts a false sense of security. They are not gonna change their minds either way, they are nuts, but if they have a false sense of security they might be sloppy and easier to catch (2) It may keep some of the silent majority of Muslims on our side. Someone is reporting these guys from time to time. Perhaps its not spoken of (for fear of their lives no doubt) but I think there are a few Muslims out there ratting out the nut-balls so the authorities know who to intercept. If you start labelling all Muslims you might lose some of those folks or even drive them into the arms of the nutbags.

And lastly I'm a hopelessly optimistic fellow, I realize that. Hopelessly optimistic until proven wrong and then I'm all for the Carthage solution.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 10:56||   2006-08-10 10:56|| Front Page Top

#37 Henceforth all airline passengers shall only fly drugged and naked. Please specify your drug of choice one week in advance. Please have respect and sympathy for our screeners - their job was already hard enough without having to look at most of you naked.
Posted by Department of Homeland Security">Department of Homeland Security  2006-08-10 11:03||   2006-08-10 11:03|| Front Page Top

#38 ScrappleFace:

UK Panel Asks: Why Do They Hate Airplanes?
by Scott Ott

(2006-08-10) — The British Parliament, in a rapid response to a terror plot foiled by Scotland Yard yesterday, announced formation of a study panel today to determine why some Muslims hate airplanes.

Early reports indicate 21 men have been taken into custody in connection with a plan to take down an unknown number of U.S.-bound passenger jets originating in Great Britain.

The expert panel will examine various theories about why airplanes engender such hatred among devoted followers of a peaceful religion.

“Is it the horrendous noise? The speed? The condensation trails?” said one unnamed source close to the panel, listing some of the areas of inquiry the experts plan to pursue. “Because if it’s any of those things, we can get to work on engineering changes to make airplanes more tolerable to our Muslim brothers.”
Posted by 3dc 2006-08-10 11:12||   2006-08-10 11:12|| Front Page Top

#39 They can for a few thousand, cost us millions. We need to start doing things to them that cost them millions. They are going to do things that run the price of oil to us up to over $100.00. That's thier goal. So as someone else said on this site said, just blow up Iran's oil terminals, and don't let them fix them. If oil goes to $100.00 , at least they won't be able to profit from it. They won't have any money to give to terrorist either.
Posted by plainslow 2006-08-10 11:13||   2006-08-10 11:13|| Front Page Top

#40 Of coures right on queue the moonbats at DU are writhing and gnashing teeth over Chimpy McBushhitlerburton's most recent plot to spread fear and disinformation to keep the sheeple in line.

No need for a link, just go to DU and choose any of several topics in the general forum.
Posted by spiffo 2006-08-10 11:17||   2006-08-10 11:17|| Front Page Top

#41  “Put simply, this was intended to be mass murder on an unimaginable scale.”

I'm having no difficulty at all. What adjectives are they going to use when the fan really gets clogged?
Posted by  KBK 2006-08-10 11:22||   2006-08-10 11:22|| Front Page Top

#42 Fox had this headline up just briefly about 10 minutes ago - Jordan reports: Qatari airliner hijacking foiled - now the headline is gooooone
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 11:26||   2006-08-10 11:26|| Front Page Top

#43 Well, the interrogation methods of the British authorities are more, ummmm, errrr, "primitive" in these cases. One hopes these 21 will be "aided" in spilling the beans on the other 2100 who must have been involved.

"Don't worry, at least you will save money on manicures..." Or, "Didn't you always want to be over 6-feet tall, just like your hero Osama?"
Heh heh heh

Besides we still have 8 Egyptian "students" to locate here in the USA! There is coincidental timing...
Posted by BigEd 2006-08-10 11:35||   2006-08-10 11:35|| Front Page Top

#44 I question the timing.

Was this the opening firework for 8/22? Or are they working somewhat independently?
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-08-10 11:35||   2006-08-10 11:35|| Front Page Top

#45 well, tomorrow is 8/11 . . .
Posted by spiffo 2006-08-10 11:40||   2006-08-10 11:40|| Front Page Top

#46 anon-2-u:

These plotters were Sunni.

The "8/22/06" is a Shia thing, that has nothing to do with the Sunnis. This is probably independent...
Posted by BigEd 2006-08-10 11:42||   2006-08-10 11:42|| Front Page Top

#47 When the civilized world is or is perceived as weak, the Islamists will keep probing. We do not have enough treasure to protect ourselves against the terrorists, from a defensive point of view.

One goal of the terrorists is to bankrupt the civilized world through some act of terrorism in a key place, like air transportation. They are continually probing, just like cancer.

Bottom line, the civilized world will not end the terrorist threat until it goes on the offensive. That means taking out Hizb'Alla, neutralizing Syria, eliminating the MMs of Iran and Dinner Jacket, Saudi Prince financiers, Binny's Boyz in Wazoo, Tater, et al.

If the civilized world does not grasp this basic truth, then the terrorists WILL succeed in some big show in the near future. And then, Wrechard's Three Conjectures will kick in.

The UK is greatly infiltrated with Islamic Terrorists, the US has them, too, only not as much. Both governments do not have the leadership needed to face the threats. That has to change, or we will lose this WoT.
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2006-08-10 11:54||   2006-08-10 11:54|| Front Page Top

#48 They're whining at BBC's Have Your Say.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-08-10 12:14||   2006-08-10 12:14|| Front Page Top

#49 The UK is greatly infiltrated with Islamic Terrorists, the US has them, too, only not as much. Both governments do not have the leadership needed to face the threats. That has to change, or we will lose this WoT.

I think the sober governments in the MidEast, even the ones who facilitate some nonsense, are scared to s**t of something like this. If something bad were to happen? Can you say President Tom "Bomb Mecca" Tancredo???
Posted by BigEd 2006-08-10 12:18||   2006-08-10 12:18|| Front Page Top

#50 It's time to be like Alexander the Great and CUT THE GORDIAN KNOT!
Posted by 3dc 2006-08-10 12:46||   2006-08-10 12:46|| Front Page Top

#51 plainslow, a better plan is to build a bunch of nuclear reactors to take the power-grid off of oil dependency then push for bio-diesel hybrids to take the SUVs and small cars off of oil dependency. The one-two-punch would collapse the price of oil if we did it properly.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 12:56||   2006-08-10 12:56|| Front Page Top

#52 These politically minded bombers feel that a successful incident would cause England to go spainish. When perhaps it will happen anyway after gutsy Tony Blair is out of power,
Posted by SamAdamsky 2006-08-10 13:14||   2006-08-10 13:14|| Front Page Top

#53 2nd gen Paki muslim terrorist scum.


muslim=terrorist
terrorist=muslim
Posted by pihkalbadger 2006-08-10 13:36||   2006-08-10 13:36|| Front Page Top

#54 rjschwarz- If you could do it fast enough, I agree. Your solution would also hurt Chavez. Just don't think we can do it quick enough. But we should start anyway.
Posted by plainslow 2006-08-10 13:38||   2006-08-10 13:38|| Front Page Top

#55 Word from Dale Dye on KFI this morning that British source says plan was to explode only after planes reache CONUS. What about August 22nd? Can't these people get their party plans coordinated?
Posted by Sgt. D.T. 2006-08-10 13:47||   2006-08-10 13:47|| Front Page Top

#56 rj, We should build more nukes, but DOE says less than 1.6% of the electricity is generated by oil.

50.6% Coal
20.6% Nuke
15.8% Natural Gas
8.2% Hydroelectric
3.2% Other
1.6% Petroleum

Based on average sales volume for the last 6 months, petroleum usage has been:

56% Motor Gasoline
20% No. 2 Diesel Fuel
9% Kerosene-Type Jet Fuel
7% Propane (Consumer Grade)
4% No. 2 Fuel Oil
3% Residual Fuel Oil
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 13:51||   2006-08-10 13:51|| Front Page Top

#57 Nimble, that's good news because it means less nuke plants need to be built to get the thing rolling.

Fact is a regular diesel engine can run on biodiesel without much modification and SUVs being truck like beasts would work well on diesel if they weren't designed to avoid government restrictions on trucks. The gov should tinker with some rules to push for diesel engine SUVs with a hint and a nod to include engine warmers for the day biodiesel comes. With that in place we could then switch over the fuel at any time we have enough.

I think it wouldn't be long before some enterprising startup started collecting used grease from the fast food places and cleaning it up enough to mix with diesel in any case.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 14:48||   2006-08-10 14:48|| Front Page Top

#58 They've started selling biodiesel here in my neighborhood, but I don't know if that's going to be price competitive in the long run. It comes from soy beans, not used grease.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 15:17||   2006-08-10 15:17|| Front Page Top

#59 August 22?

The day, according to She - it muslims, the world will end?

If nothing happens, we should all collect on street corners and laugh as hard as we can at the stupid belief and the stupid believers. Laugh so loud and hard it makes the world news. Let dinner jacket know what we think.

If something does happen, we should nuke Iran in response.
Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan  2006-08-10 15:39||   2006-08-10 15:39|| Front Page Top

#60 What about bombing Iran BEFORE anything happens ?

Would be better...
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 15:54||   2006-08-10 15:54|| Front Page Top

#61 They like "liquids?" LIQUIFY THEM!

Besoeker, I'll opt for the more appropriate verb ... LIQUIDATE.

Bottom line, the civilized world will not end the terrorist threat until it goes on the offensive. That means taking out Hizb'Alla, neutralizing Syria, eliminating the MMs of Iran and Dinner Jacket, Saudi Prince financiers, Binny's Boyz in Wazoo, Tater, et al.

If the civilized world does not grasp this basic truth, then the terrorists WILL succeed in some big show in the near future. And then, Wrechard's Three Conjectures will kick in.

Word, Alaska Paul. I'm so pissed off right now that I'm beginning to look forward to that day. And remember, I subscribe to the motto of:

Better pissed off than pissed on.

How many people will lose their jobs from whatever brief tourism downturn this causes? How many lives will be ruined? How much more lost productivity will there be due to increased security measures? How many hours of precious vacation time for honest over-stressed and overworked employees will be shot to he||? How much more loss of shareholder value will happen in the affected airlines and associated industries? HOW MANY EXTRA MILLIONS OR BILLIONS OF DOLLARS is this latest round of economic mayhem going to cost the civilized world?

We need to start doing things to them that cost them millions.

Bingo, plainslow.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-10 16:14||   2006-08-10 16:14|| Front Page Top

#62 7% Propane (Consumer Grade)
Damn, that's surprising.

Build the nukes so when the battery breakout comes we can all have 'lectric cars.

And maybe Reddy Kilowatt can come out of the safety closet.
Posted by 6 2006-08-10 16:36||   2006-08-10 16:36|| Front Page Top

#63 Question. I know it would be satisfying to have the authorities say these were Muslim males between 16-and-32 or whatever but does it really make a difference?

You're DAMN right it does. They should be on every TV channel, and in every newspaper, every day, reminding us that MUSLIMS attacked on 9/11, MUSLIMS are fighting Israel, MUSLIMS are behind nearly every terrorist attack in the world for the last several years, and that MUSLIMS want to create a world Islamic state. Words have meaning, and words have power. Constantly reminding the civilized world who these scumbags are can only help wake up some who are sleeping. It may not convince the moonbats (nothing would) but if it changes the thinking of a few fence sitters, it would be well worth it.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-10 16:56||   2006-08-10 16:56|| Front Page Top

#64 I agree: it's very important to tell people, again and again, that those terrorists are Muslims.

In France, since this plot was revealed this morning (French time), most of the media have not said that those terrorists are MUSLIMS, but, rather, have insisted they are "not yet known" or "probably British citizens", and so on.

Bad naming things is adding misfortune to the world.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 17:05||   2006-08-10 17:05|| Front Page Top

#65 They've started selling biodiesel here in my neighborhood, but I don't know if that's going to be price competitive in the long run. It comes from soy beans, not used grease.

The kind they sell in your neighborhood might be from soy, it might get better gas mileage or have other advantages, but there are biodiesel vehicles running on used grease as we speak. veggie van and I think its better since we're getting dual use out of it.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-08-10 17:07||   2006-08-10 17:07|| Front Page Top

#66 Agreed individuals are doing it, but I'm not sure how well it scales. But if you can make money, do it!
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 17:26||   2006-08-10 17:26|| Front Page Top

#67 [Apologies for the caps...]

The time approaches when an array of profiling, from country of origin, nationality, etc., must become standard procedure for denying access to travel, border crossing, visas, etc. - for access to the West.

Pariah status should be initiated and imposed upon Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, et al.

Shut them out of the system. No more flights originating from or stopping in any of those countries where Islam is endemic and accepted. No more of their nationals allowed access to the West. They can LEAVE, but they may not ENTER.

Forever.

Extradition of the cancerous lumps of non-assimilating "immigrants" should be planned and executed concurrently.

The total isolation of Islam's insanity can and should begin ASAP.

It isn't OUR last hope, it is THEIRS.
Posted by flyover 2006-08-10 18:56||   2006-08-10 18:56|| Front Page Top

#68 Friggnin Islamonuts. I am seriously hacked off. Finally Bush calls them Islamic facists, but concurrently gets the Israelis to stop their push into Lebanon. I don't get it! When are we going to get serious about this. How many people are going to have to die before we start to fight like there is a real war on?
Posted by remoteman 2006-08-10 19:15||   2006-08-10 19:15|| Front Page Top

#69 flyover, I think you're quite right.

It isn't OUR last hope, it is THEIRS.

And this, I think, is what most of us here know viscerally.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-10 19:23||   2006-08-10 19:23|| Front Page Top

#70 It isn't OUR last hope, it is THEIRS.

Word, flyover. Now, when is someone going to tattoo this on the forehead of every Muslim leader? Never have I seen a creed rush in such a headlong fashion towards obliteration.
Posted by Zenster 2006-08-10 19:48||   2006-08-10 19:48|| Front Page Top

#71 Do you guys really think we'll lose the West's soul when we do what needs to be done?

It's been in the blogosphere for a few years.

Me, I don't think so.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-08-10 20:42||   2006-08-10 20:42|| Front Page Top

#72 Short answer - No.

Some people in the West will lose their souls (Daily Kos, DU, etc), but who cares about them?

Anyone read 'Consider Phlebas' by Iain M Banks? Noticed any similarities to what we're going through now?

I first posted 18 hours ago, so I'm off now ;) The morlocks were kept at bay for another day...night-night.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-10 20:54||   2006-08-10 20:54|| Front Page Top

#73 Cheers, Tony. We'll all sleep better tonight. Kudos to all the various entities who did their jobs so well and connected the dots. Bless them all.
Posted by flyover 2006-08-10 21:36||   2006-08-10 21:36|| Front Page Top

#74 Can someone tell me what are Daily Kos, and DU ?

Thanks.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 21:40||   2006-08-10 21:40|| Front Page Top

#75 #72 Tony (UK): "Some people in the West will lose their souls (Daily Kos, DU, etc), but who cares about them?"

Don't you have to have something first in order to lose it, Tony?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-08-10 21:42|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com]  2006-08-10 21:42|| Front Page Top

#76 websites www.dailykos.com and www.democraticunderground.com
wash up with antibiotic soap after visiting
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-10 21:43||   2006-08-10 21:43|| Front Page Top

#77 Daily Kos and Democratic Underground are loony websites, leroidavid.
Posted by Jules in the Hinterlands 2006-08-10 21:44||   2006-08-10 21:44|| Front Page Top

#78 Frank G, I just went to Daily Kos and DU, and used afterwards the antibiotic soap you advised.

But, you know, what I have read on those loony websites (as said Jules in the Hinterlands) is what I hear all day long here, in Paris. I am using a lot of bottles of antibiotic soap from morning to evening...

For example, this Thursday, at 7:30 PM, on a French radio that is supposed to be right leaning (RTL), I heard 3 "famous" small French journalists saying, in less than 2 minutes:

- Bin Laden was funded by the US;
- Bin Laden is a CIA employee;
- Israel created the Hezbollah;
- Sharon created the Hamas.
- Fighting terrorism creates terrorists.

They all agreed, and the anchorman too.
This kind of delirium is, in France, common wisdom.

The newspapers, here, are filled with anti-Israeli caricatures so hateful that they are clearly anti-Jewish. For example, the newspaper of the French parisian intelligentsia (Le Monde) published (on August the 2nd) a caricature showing a gigantic nazi boot marked with a David star and crushing Arab bloodstained women and children on the ground. Open any major French newspaper, and you'll see such rubbish.

It's not antibiotic soap we need here to clean this garbage: it's the strongest insecticide.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 22:32||   2006-08-10 22:32|| Front Page Top

#79 :-) I can only recommend....
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-10 22:41||   2006-08-10 22:41|| Front Page Top

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