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2008-08-08 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Israel warns Russia: We'll neutralize S-300 if sold to Iran

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Posted by Anonymoose 2008-08-08 00:13|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 "Israel warns Russia: We'll neutralize S-300 if sold to Iran"

"If you don't believe we can, ask Syria."

"it would be catastrophic not only for Iran but also for Russia"

What's the downside?

"No country will want to buy the system if it is proven to be ineffective" - like in Syria.

(Hmmmmm - I sense a theme here....)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-08-08 00:32|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-08-08 00:32|| Front Page Top

#2 As areminder, IRAN > ANY ATTACK ON ITS NUCLEAR SITES WILL BE AN ACT(S) OF WAR, subject to any form of retaliation as Iran deems fit. ALso, any attack by Israel will be deemed an attack by the USA.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-08-08 00:39|| 2008-08-08 00:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Hmm...so they did use this to neutralize Syrian air defenses. Verrrry interesting, I'd always assumed that a thicket of SAM defenses could deplete most strike forces. They might get through to their objective but it would be attrition city.

Posted by gromky 2008-08-08 02:32|| 2008-08-08 02:32|| Front Page Top

#4 The Israelis have a cloaking device? :-)

Posted by gorb 2008-08-08 04:51|| 2008-08-08 04:51|| Front Page Top

#5 I wouldn't call it a cloaking device, exactly...

Posted by Halliburton - Phase Inverter Division 2008-08-08 08:46|| 2008-08-08 08:46|| Front Page Top

#6 Well if its like most russian arms exports it does about 1/3 of what it claims it can do. Probably a 1980's system that has been sitting in a warehouse for 25 years that they pulled out and did a software upgrade on.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-08-08 09:30|| 2008-08-08 09:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Israel has already proven that Russian anti-air systems can be taken down with ECM. I'm sure the US has some very nice toys that are tucked away in a AF base somewhere that can do the same thing.

You sure you want to prove that your stuff is crap, Russia?

Posted by DarthVader 2008-08-08 09:41|| 2008-08-08 09:41|| Front Page Top

#8 They grease the underside of their aircraft with bacon, and the Islamic missiles shun it.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-08-08 10:25|| 2008-08-08 10:25|| Front Page Top

#9 It's not just proven against Syria, Israel did tests against the Greeks who have Russian defences. The Russians freaked and the Greeks swore they did not use the Russian systems. Nobody believes the Greeks on that.

Israel should also let it slip that they plan to target moscow should Israel be nuked, you know to further test Moscows anti-air systems.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-08-08 10:43|| 2008-08-08 10:43|| Front Page Top

#10 Several airbursts of very small yeild (but high EMP) nuclear weapons over a few points would basically disable most of Iran and all electronics there, without causing any significant fallout or casualties.

Telecom and Power generation system (and therefor water and sewage) would become completely useless and remain that way for some time.

The Mullahs want to return to the 1100's? This would do it.

It would also result in starvation, widespread disease (cholera), and the inability of the Mullahs to control the people.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-08 11:50|| 2008-08-08 11:50|| Front Page Top

#11 EMP's especially small don't have to be nuclear.

PS, don't forget the Egyptian SAM Belt of '73. It worked.

Posted by .5MT 2008-08-08 12:14|| www.cybernations.net]">[www.cybernations.net] 2008-08-08 12:14|| Front Page Top

#12 rjschwarz - their missiles do reach that far. They made that clear to the USSR decades ago.

Posted by 3dc 2008-08-08 12:27|| 2008-08-08 12:27|| Front Page Top

#13 .5MT, I was thinking along the lines of blowing out the infrastructure of Iran with EMP. power generation and transmission, as well as pulsing the major urban areas.

Its actually a humane way of collapsing the nation, as long as the people there rise up and throw off the theocracy, and then cooperate with western rebuilding of their nation in the model and image of Iraq.

They can pay for the repairs with oil.

Ethnic groups can be divided and reconciled to power sharing under a democratic umbrella (Arabs in the S, Pashtun in the east, Kurds in the N and persians, 50%, in the center).

Iran used to be a fairly prosperous and economically advanced semi-secular country before the Ayatollahs took over.

Imagine what all the Iranians could do when properly educated and motivated (like the Iraqis are starting to become), especially with a fresh example of the price of tyranny in their minds, and example of what prosperity a modern non-theocratic non-ethnic government can do right next door.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-08 13:34|| 2008-08-08 13:34|| Front Page Top

#14 I'd never thought of using an EMP, it's always the bug-a-boo the bad guys are gonna use. That plan sounds very effective for Israel's problems. If a nuke is used they will face political fall-out but they'll get that no matter what they do.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-08-08 16:34|| 2008-08-08 16:34|| Front Page Top

#15 EMP may very well be the only real "nuclear" option left to Israel, and if it is well controlled and low yield, they may even have deniability (of using a nuke), claiming it was a special "secret" (zionist? lol) weapon.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-08-08 18:49|| 2008-08-08 18:49|| Front Page Top

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