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2003-08-06 Britain

âBritishness Testâ For All New Muslims Citizens

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-08-06 00:15|| || Front Page|| [11124 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Britishness Test sounds like a great skit for Monty Python or the like.

I think they should make the buggers watch two episodes of Benny Hill. If they don't laugh, out you go!

Posted by Penguin 2003-8-6 4:23:45 AM|| 2003-8-6 4:23:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 So, if this includes an oath of allegiance to the Queen does that mean that people which would like to see the monarchy abolished would no longer be allowed to become British citizens? Or "subjects" as I think they're called over there?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-8-6 9:08:11 AM|| 2003-8-6 9:08:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The UK was a democracy long before the Greeks relearned the meaning of the word. :-) And just a few years after that they forgot it anew and handled power to an unelected body sitting into the barbarian (ancient Greek definition) of Brussels.

Posted by JFM 2003-8-6 10:02:21 AM|| 2003-8-6 10:02:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Aris, I think that's correct. If you don't like having the royals, you probably don't want to be a Brit, and you should submit your application to Iceland, where they don't have one, or Greece, where they used to have one. Why would you want to be a citizen of someplace you don't like?

Posted by Fred 2003-8-6 10:15:59 AM|| 2003-8-6 10:15:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Perfidious Albion!

Posted by 11A5S 2003-8-6 11:51:49 AM|| 2003-8-6 11:51:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 The US citizenship process includes a portion where the new citizen denies loyalty to other countries. Of course any muslim who wants could pull a Clinton and say that the 'Umma' isn't an actual country. Or they could just lie.

Posted by mhw 2003-8-6 12:17:58 PM|| 2003-8-6 12:17:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Fred> Well I definitely don't want to be a Brit personally, but I'd think that abolishing the monarchy should be considered an acceptable rather than a traitorous position for a Brit to have. And I'd expect that there are a lot of people in Britain who may love the place, would want to be citizens, and yet still be willing to argue and vote against the monarchy.

JFM> If we're back to the insulting countries thing, then I am not entirely sure the Britain is a democracy nowadays either, since that unelected House of Lords still wields power, a fact much more annoying than the power that the *elected* barbarians of Brussels have.

JFM, to quote the Greek poet Kavafis, what would you do without barbarians to blame?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-8-6 12:29:06 PM|| 2003-8-6 12:29:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Aris: The abolition of the Monarchy is debated, but most people don't feel strongly enough that it should be abolished.
The role of the monarchy in British politics is mostly symbllic, and while the Brits are the Queens subjects, they are also British Citizens who can stand on a box at Speakers corner, or anywhere and make a case for the abolition of the Monarchy.
In short, there is Freedom of speech in the Britain.

Posted by S 2003-8-6 2:08:17 PM|| 2003-8-6 2:08:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 They're going to say tits, winkle, and vibraphone to them to see if they blush.

Posted by BH 2003-8-6 2:23:58 PM|| 2003-8-6 2:23:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 "Ooooooops, sorry, looks like you all failed! Follow Hook Boy back on the boat!"

No BCLU over there to fight this affront to the Prophet and his devotees?

Posted by tu3031 2003-8-6 3:23:05 PM|| 2003-8-6 3:23:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I have to agree with Aris on one point: poor Albion isn't much of a democracy any more. Freedom of speach is highly curtailed by "hate speach" laws, trail-by-jury is largely abolished, legal rights to private property are under attack, and the basic human right to self defence has been all but destroyed. Weep O Britain for thy are great no more....

Posted by Secret Master 2003-8-6 6:52:56 PM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com] 2003-8-6 6:52:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Here, SM, stick your head in this paper bag for a while... that'll cure those hiccups!

Posted by Old Grouch 2003-8-6 8:17:40 PM|| 2003-8-6 8:17:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 I fixed the hiccups.

Aris: After you're in the club you're entitled to an opinion. If you're trying to get in the club and you don't like the rules, maybe you should join a different club.

Posted by Fred 2003-8-6 9:56:46 PM|| 2003-8-6 9:56:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Aris - this happened once before. When John Kennedy was about to take office, many in America feared that he'd hold his loyalty to the Roman Catholic Church over the oath of office. In order to calm these fears, Kennedy stated quite bluntly that his loyalties were to God, the USA, and THEN the Pope, in that precise order.

THAT is what we need to be asking of Islam. That they be loyal to God, then to their country (be it the land of their birth, or where they've emmegrated to) and THEN to the rather garbled "laws" that the Koran and it's side books set forth.

And that when there is a conflict between the secular and the religious, they MUST accept the primacy of secular law over religious.

Goverenments run by priests have been, are now, and always WILL be a terrible idea. Priests fear that which is new, because new means change, and change means they'll lose power.

Ed Becerra

Posted by Ed Becerra 2003-8-6 10:27:24 PM|| 2003-8-6 10:27:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 If only the Right Wing Christian nutz like Ashcroft would be held to the same standard--secular trumps religion--we'd have a better USA

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