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2006-08-03 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Steve 2006-08-03 09:33|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Hizbullah Orders Attacks on Tel Aviv if Beirut is Attacked

A little behind events, are they?

Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-03 10:33|| 2006-08-03 10:33|| Front Page Top

#2 6 or 7 israeli civilians dead from rocket attacks including children ... awaiting world wide shit in the pants outrage

Posted by Legolas 2006-08-03 10:47|| 2006-08-03 10:47|| Front Page Top

#3 We must be getting close to a cease fire, since Hez. is "demanding" a complete Israeli pull out..........

Posted by Cleaque Omavimble7481 2006-08-03 10:56|| 2006-08-03 10:56|| Front Page Top

#4 7 Civ. Israelis killed. Tank destroyed 2 killed 2 badly burn.

That are the consequences of an inept leadership- political and military.

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-03 11:13|| 2006-08-03 11:13|| Front Page Top

#5 CU2772, I'm getting tired of you, you little perfora rectii!

Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-03 11:33|| 2006-08-03 11:33|| Front Page Top

#6 You dont like the truth. Never expected the right to be so delusional like the left. This is the consequences of having PeaceNow! waging war.

Israel has a 48-72hours to be in war footing we are in 3 weeks.

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-03 12:15|| 2006-08-03 12:15|| Front Page Top

#7 how's Portugal? Dhimmitude yet?

Posted by Frank G 2006-08-03 12:41|| 2006-08-03 12:41|| Front Page Top

#8 :) yeah we have a couple dhimmis here. For survival i have more hope in the people than in politicians. Also there is a great disconnect between right polititians and right bloggers. Right blogger are more or less Right-Libertarian, right politicians are mainly social-democrats pro america in the past less so now that Red Army faded. Btw we are doomed economically , but 4 millions get money from the state no one wants to move.
For the media the opinion columns are more or less balanced, the left also doesnt have anyone brilliant to talk. The journos are almost all in the left and extremely ignorants even old leftists protest about the kids that came from schools.

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-03 12:55|| 2006-08-03 12:55|| Front Page Top

#9 CU2772, why did you expect things to be sorted out in 48-72 hours? And although any IDF soldiers being killed is not good news (as far as I'm concerned), 1 tank with 2 killed 2 wounded is not the end of all things.

There's a lot of things that have puzzled airmchair generals about this war; the 'Fabled IDF conquering all before it in 6 days', 'the heroes of Entebbe', 'the beleaguered on all sides IDF' - where are these amazing warriors and why haven't they conquered all the Arab capitals yet?

Well, it seems that they're doing it all again - confounding the enemy by not doing what the enemy expects...

If you want to get up to speed on what's happening, check out The Belmont Club for some heavyweight analysis, and they seem ok with things... Be prepared to put the effort in though - it took me an hour to get through one thread, although.

grom - take it easy mate, I'm not sure CU2772 is a troll or someone who is really after information.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-03 13:17|| 2006-08-03 13:17|| Front Page Top

#10 No, he's probably soncere, and like Ns, it's not a bad thing to have a contrarian view. Like Patton said IIRC, "when everybody's thinking thes ame thing, nobody is thinking", or something like that.
I much prefer someone who think it's not going well when it's going well (and I do hope it's going well, though the leadership in Israel worries me a lot, to be frank, again, I would have prefered the likoud to win), than the reverse. Blind optimism or delusions are not good.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-08-03 13:22|| 2006-08-03 13:22|| Front Page Top

#11 Ah, "sincere".

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-08-03 13:23|| 2006-08-03 13:23|| Front Page Top

#12 Belmont Club is nearer my opinion on the subject:

"Perhaps sensing this, Netanyahu has brought up the decisions of the "security cabinet on the 13th of this month" to warn to Olmert not to renege on an earlier decision to win "a strategic victory"; to "complete the job"

But the latest accounts of IDF activities in Lebanon which have been described as "reshaping the border" cannot be described as a strategic campaign in any meaningful sense of the word. It is still a preparation if it is anything. The strategic part of the campaign implicit in Netanyahu's words: "a strategic victory. Those were the objectives set out by the government, justly, wisely, and boldly. They were presented to the security cabinet on the 13th of this month" -- the campaign the cabinet decided on -- was not yet in evidence. The question is whether it remains on the agenda."... Monday, July 31, 2006

So what happened since then?

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-03 14:13|| 2006-08-03 14:13|| Front Page Top

#13 Others have voiced views similar to CU here. He's clearly not a troll. English ain't his first language, so sometimes he doesn't express himself too well. Can't we just stick him in the "loyal opposition" category instead of beating up on him?

Posted by 11A5S 2006-08-03 14:32|| 2006-08-03 14:32|| Front Page Top

#14 CU doesn't seem like a troll. He doesn't even exactly seem like a member of the opposition. I believe this is a language barrier thingy. With that said, I should like to point out that CUs English is a hell of a lot better than my Portugese.

Posted by Secret Master 2006-08-03 14:57|| 2006-08-03 14:57|| Front Page Top

#15 Clerert Uneamp2772, this is not a right wing site, nor Conservative, nor Republican. There are plenty of those on the web, but this site isdevoted to understanding the War on Terror in all its myriad tentacles. Some of us are Registered Democrats and even atheists. Quite a few of us are neither American nor living in the U.S. (You might ask Mr. gromgoru his thoughts on the situation, as he is an Israeli posting from Israel. I'm sure if you ask nicely, he'll like you better. Seriously!) We try to approach this more as intelligence analysts, like the site owner was before he retired to his current career that somehow involves computers.

I hope that helps explain the reception you found here. And welcome!

Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-03 15:33|| 2006-08-03 15:33|| Front Page Top

#16 And now for a stirring rendition of "Cumbayah".

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-03 15:41|| 2006-08-03 15:41|| Front Page Top

#17 Ok CU2772, as you've been to the Belmont Club ;)

My opinion is that things are moving along more or less the way Israel wants them to, and that they're involved in a lot of disinformation. Disclaimer: I have no military experience, but I do have a logical and scientific mind and have picked up on who seems to know what they're talking about (here and elsewhere).

To my mind it's entirely likely that Netanyahu's calls to Omert to 'finish the job' are designed to sow more disinformation amongst Hizzys, Syria and Iran. Although Israeli politics seems suicidal at times, it does seem that most Israelis recognise that this war is a critical situation for the country (see the article by 'The Four Mothers', This war is different) and for that reason we will see a 'strategic victory'.

Somewhat OT: Old Spook posted something a few days ago about 'turning the flank' on Syria, which meant the Israelis where within striking distance of Damascus - designed to tell Syria to 'shut up and not get involved?' Maybe.

We also mustn't forget that GW has said that Iran will not be a nuclear power, so Israel will be taking a lead from him too.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-03 15:49|| 2006-08-03 15:49|| Front Page Top

#18 my opinion is that elf chicks are hot

Posted by Legolas 2006-08-03 15:56|| 2006-08-03 15:56|| Front Page Top

#19 * blinks *

Wasn't that a thread from a day or so Legolas?

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-03 15:59|| 2006-08-03 15:59|| Front Page Top

#20 Thanks for all the words here.
I just will tell you that i know some Israelis from their army. I dont have contacts right now but the opinion is that upper schelons and politicians lost the contact with the men that do the fight.Ex: if you see pictures of reservists and even some non-reservists, they dont have weapon sights and body armour.

"and that they're involved in a lot of disinformation"
I am of the opinion that is almost impossible the have desinformation for something big. If they advance to Tyre or something everyone would be talking, Baalbek was known when the fighting was still on.
The advance only happened because Israel people pressure not because politicians wanted. They could have started it 2nd week easily even letting 1 week for airpower. The crazyness of the issue is exemplified by Bint Jeil assault with several deaths then retire, then next day there was already a rocket launcher there. Now after this idiocy it is finaly occupied or what remains of it.
Now think the implications for Israeli economy to have +300000 persons not working for all this time. Speed is of essence. Then you have Olmert and Halutz words...

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-03 16:17|| 2006-08-03 16:17|| Front Page Top

#21 "CU2772, I'm getting tired of you, you little perfora rectii!"

Gromgoru, there was once a time, a year or so ago, when your own comments on Rantburg were at least as negative, and devoid of hope, as CU2772's are today. Day after day, it was doom and gloom, all is lost, yadda yadda yadda. If anyone should know what it was once like to be hopelessly pessimistic, it is you. So give the guy a break, eh?

CU2772, sometimes one just has to grit one's teeth and resign oneself to the insecurity of not knowing for sure what is happening, and have faith that in the end, right will prevail.

We *WILL* win this.

Posted by Dave D">Dave D 2006-08-03 16:26|| 2006-08-03 16:26|| Front Page Top

#22 But isn't gromgoru's Latin simply gorgeous! ;-)

Tony (UK), elves have a different sense of time than simple humans -- all that immortality gets in the way of clear thinking, I suppose. Coupled with a testosterone buzz from the Fairy Convention you both recall so clearly, and...

And doesn't everybody think the upper echelons are out of touch? In all organizations?

Posted by trailing wife 2006-08-03 18:38|| 2006-08-03 18:38|| Front Page Top

#23 Succinct and enlightening as usual TW ;)

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-08-03 19:08|| 2006-08-03 19:08|| Front Page Top

#24 Gromgoru, there was once a time, a year or so ago, when your own comments on Rantburg were at least as negative, and devoid of hope

My frustration was with Israelis infatuation with an idea of Peace & being loved by the World---which expressed itself as carring more for Arab's lives than our own.
CU annoys me because of his (armchair general) views. Casualties don't mean loosing, they are just the cost of doing business. Bottom line, I hate people who expect IDF to be superman almost as much as I hate people who demand IDF to be "supermoral"[1].

[1] IMO, morality is based on reciprocity.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-03 20:01|| 2006-08-03 20:01|| Front Page Top

#25 3 weeks is not asking superman things against Heezballah.
If you dont want to see that's up to you.

Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-03 23:15|| 2006-08-03 23:15|| Front Page Top

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