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2005-08-03 Terror Networks & Islam
Euros disquieted over recent terrorist activities
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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-08-03 00:17|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The preliminary finding by Italian investigators that those who took part in the attempted bomb attacks on London on July 21 were probably unconnected to any larger terrorism network

this only increases my concern that perhaps the 7/21 bombing was a planned diversion.

Posted by 2b 2005-08-03 03:21||   2005-08-03 03:21|| Front Page Top

#2 2b - A diversion from what?
Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats  2005-08-03 09:07|| http://www.punictreachery.com/]">[http://www.punictreachery.com/]  2005-08-03 09:07|| Front Page Top

#3 I believe his theory is that 7/21 was a diversion from 7/7. Since the 7/7 bombs all went off, there's a lot less forensic evidence and no bombers to interrogate. Sending some mooks out with duds gets the authorities concentrating on the mooks instead, in the manner of the old "looking where the light is" joke.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-03 09:16|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-03 09:16|| Front Page Top

#4 The fact that the experts agree that the "Mother of Satan" homebrew has a short shelf life unless sealed air tight means nothing to the conspirisy types. Sometimes things are as simple as they seem.
Posted by Steve">Steve  2005-08-03 11:33||   2005-08-03 11:33|| Front Page Top

#5 Steve, I'm not proposing that 7/21 was IN FACT a distraction. I'll agree with you that usually a cigar is just a cigar, as it may well be in this case.

However just saying "Occam's Razor" doesn't make it go away that anyone who is smart enough to pull off an event of this magnitude is smart enough to create a diversion to lead the police in the wrong direction after the fact. In fact, any good criminal or terrorist worth his salt would probably make that an obligatory part of his plan.
Posted by 2b 2005-08-03 11:51||   2005-08-03 11:51|| Front Page Top

#6 On the other hand, they've never tried to deflect attention before, at least not like this.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-03 12:04|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-03 12:04|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm too lazy and don't have time to research this, but I think it was Phil who once posted a great article about the first WTC bombing and in my original comment a couple of days ago I was commenting that in in the first WTC case, (was it Yassin??), one of the players suddenly found himself stranded with no money and no way out of NYC. A patsy?

It seems like there are a few possible trends from that first attack that I've seen in other attacks. The terrorists are operating right under feds noses, but then the feds either stop watching or lose track of one or two important players right before the big attack. Certain players fly out of the country hours before the attack and now I'm musing on the possiblity that they leave a patsy behind to lead the investigation away from the light.

I'm not trying to win any converts to a conspiracy theory. I'm just commenting on it to see if others have had similar thoughts. Don't hold me to proving it - it's just a damn comment - a thought. I'm not trying to prove ANYTHING!
Posted by 2b 2005-08-03 12:24||   2005-08-03 12:24|| Front Page Top

#8 I think one of the reasons these guys involved in the 7/21 bombing (and others) got picked up so easy can be traced directly back to the islamic mindset of not thinking for yourself. They exercise strict top-down command and control, follow orders blindly, no individual inititive, submission, etc. You see this fault in the Arab armies all the time, same here.

Look how long it takes to plan and execute every big attack, 2 to 3 years is the average we keep hearing. Always a controller and a "mastermind" who pulls the strings from afar. Lot's of travel to far away places to consult higher-ups. Long distance cell phone calls to receive orders, even after they know they could be traced. The only reason I can see is they are incapable of acting any other way.
When things went south on them and they were left on their own after the bombs failed, they were lost. Controller and mastermind had already left, no one to tell them what to do. So they panicked and did stupid shit. We still got lucky the Italians were watching that guys brother, or he might still be in the wind.
Posted by Steve">Steve  2005-08-03 12:51||   2005-08-03 12:51|| Front Page Top

#9  So they panicked and did stupid shit.

If there is one thing that stands out most about the foot soldiers in this war, it is that they do some stupid, stupid things. If we didn't live in a PC society that was always willing to look away and excuse away their glaringly obvious behavior (take for example that lender who tried to help the terrorist adjust to this country after he threatened to slit her throat), this war would have been over before it even started.
Posted by 2b 2005-08-03 12:55||   2005-08-03 12:55|| Front Page Top

#10 This article seems to be based on the current work product of Italian intelligence. Wasn't it these yabbos who were snookered by the infamous yellowcake forgeries? Color me unimpressed by the collective analytical prowess of Italian intelligence. Sometimes it seems like the Italians are too busy indicting CIA agents and botching ransom attempts to find their own asses.
Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H.  2005-08-03 16:20|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2005-08-03 16:20|| Front Page Top

#11 The theory that 7/21 was a distraction does not seem to have much basis especially when you consider how much it has cost these guys. Also the idea that there is no link to Al Queada is just silly. Just look up Aswat . There is now way Aswat or any of these guys decided to risk themselves just to distract people. Nope this was just a botched operation that’s costing these people far more than they planned.
Posted by Robi Sen">Robi Sen  2005-08-03 17:08|| robisen.com]">[robisen.com]  2005-08-03 17:08|| Front Page Top

#12 ...in the first WTC case, (was it Yassin??), one of the players suddenly found himself stranded with no money and no way out of NYC.

Was it the same one that tried to get the deposit back from the van that blew up?
Posted by Pappy 2005-08-03 19:33||   2005-08-03 19:33|| Front Page Top

#13 yes.
Posted by 2b 2005-08-03 20:26||   2005-08-03 20:26|| Front Page Top

#14 RE: #8. they exercise strict top-down command and control, follow orders blindly, no individual inititive, submission, etc. You see this fault in the Arab armies all the time, same here.

Wasn't this also claimed about the Ruskies?

Occam's Razor! (Sorry)

I remember reading a long ways back about the escapades of the assassins of Archduke Ferdinand in 1914. Tried, failed, stumbled across their target later in the same day, improvised, succeeded. If Oliver Stone had been around then, he could've written a conspiracy theory to make JFK look like child's play!
Posted by Bobby 2005-08-03 21:27||   2005-08-03 21:27|| Front Page Top

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