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2005-08-02 Terror Networks & Islam
Islamic 'martyrs' who begged for mercy
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Posted by anonymous5089 2005-08-02 07:20|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 he had been watching videos of women and children dying in Irak

Here is where the treason of the MSM comes to haunt us. He should have been subject to a steady dose of women and children starving or dying without medcal care in Afghanistan due to Islamicists (aka Taliban), women and children killed in Irak by Islamicists, of atrocities perpetrated in Soudan by Islamicists, of continual agression against people of other confessions by . And not through a sanitized sentence ("militants") at the end of the news space but to long and graphic reportings. This until guys like him start attacking on sight people with islamic attire.

In a terrorist war the key factor is winning the propaganda battle and the MSM are doing their utmost for having people like this guy hate us.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2005-08-02 08:19||   2005-08-02 08:19|| Front Page Top

#2 We were shocked when we saw Muktar's picture in the national news," a statement from his relatives said. "We are a peaceful family. We immediately attended the police station and made statements to the police."

Their brave actions provided police with the breakthrough they desperately needed, giving them the first firm information about the identity of bomb suspects. It marked the start of breakneck developments in the investigation into the bomb attempts of July 21 and the deadly attacks on July 7.

Using the information from Said-Ibrahim's family, corroborated by a tip-off from a member of the public, anti-terror officers tracked down the flat on a rundown north London housing estate where he lived.

This family turned in their kid at the start of the investigation.

Worth keeping in mind when someone says there are NO moderate muslims and none who put the country and society ahead of their religious identity.

I'm not saying it happens often, but this family did an agonizing thing and deserves credit for it.
Posted by Slavith Chaviting3558 2005-08-02 08:38||   2005-08-02 08:38|| Front Page Top

#3 It's always nice to find exceptions.

Now, why did the biggest mosque on America's east coast pick a terrorist apologist for an imam?
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-02 08:44|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-02 08:44|| Front Page Top

#4 So they watched a video and then decides to scare people (not a chance they were just incompetent killers is there!) with bombs. The notable thing is they meant to kill their fellow countrymen over events in a place miles from the UK. The MSM's portrayal of things doesn't help but I can't help but feel that nothing is going to disabuse an ignorant sociopathic murderer of what they can easily be convinced is reality. For a number of reasons they are primed and want to believe it. It allows the lazy street thug and dole tapeworm to feel and be important for the first time in their lives. They may not vote or engage in politics but they do know how to go about killing. The jihadi PR machine, apologists, "moderate" muslim slipspeakers, Galloways, MMoors, Fiskies, Pilgphers and Chumpskies do have a more concrete connection. They create and/or support the "reality" that provides a general justification and rationale for murdering. They bemoan the evil of killing quickly before the "but" and the torrent of apologist BS and twisted justifications for such behavior. They reinforce opinions and help the terrorists and their potential and real supporters feel that is not simply a matter of vicious and cruel violence in the name of religious/political repression when a loser thug goes out and kills as many innocent civilians as possible. They go a long way in helping provide the stamp of legitimacy to an unthinkable sickness of the mind.
Posted by MunkarKat 2005-08-02 08:45||   2005-08-02 08:45|| Front Page Top

#5 RC, it's exactly that trend that makes it especially important to honor those who buck it.
Posted by Slavith Chaviting3558 2005-08-02 08:45||   2005-08-02 08:45|| Front Page Top

#6 Hell, look at how many American parents excuse their kids' drugs, bad grades etc. rather than hold them accountable for their choices. Ask any teacher how much they have to deal with parents who want their kids to get off of punishment or getting a bad grade they earned.

Then look at this family that turned their kid when the cops didn't have a lead yet. Family has guts and deserves praise.
Posted by anon 2005-08-02 08:53||   2005-08-02 08:53|| Front Page Top

#7 RC, it's exactly that trend that makes it especially important to honor those who buck it.

We should be pressuring those who follow the trend, not praising those who merely do what's expected.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-02 09:06|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-02 09:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Was the family 'moderate' or acting out of self preservation. If they knew the trail could lead back to them, what stops the football hooligan types from visiting the family?

There has got to be a bit of intelligence in the Muslim community that given the right series of acts, the authorities won't be able to protect them all. When you're in a sea of infidels, that is not a healthy situation. The lesser of the two evils, in their eyes, is to cop the perp now.
Posted by Angomoger Elmolusing5585 2005-08-02 09:20||   2005-08-02 09:20|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe. But I still think this family deserves praise and support. They're just as vulnerable to the idiots within the Muslim community there as to the white idiots nearby.
Posted by anon 2005-08-02 09:23||   2005-08-02 09:23|| Front Page Top

#10 We should be pressuring those who follow the trend, not praising those who merely do what's expected.

I don't know if I understand you correctly RC, but turning in one's child to what may well be a death sentence is not "merely" doing what is expected, it is an extraordinarily unselfish and painful task.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-08-02 09:53||   2005-08-02 09:53|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't know if I understand you correctly RC, but turning in one's child to what may well be a death sentence is not "merely" doing what is expected, it is an extraordinarily unselfish and painful task.

When that child is committing murder, it is what is expected of you.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-02 10:00|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-02 10:00|| Front Page Top

#12 They found Omar, dressed in shorts and a T-shirt, lying on a sofa. It is claimed that he made a desperate grab for a rucksack lying a few feet away as the officers burst in. Fearing it may contain explosives one officer shot him in the chest with a Taser gun, sending 50,000 volts of electric current through his body. It left him temporarily paralysed as he was overpowered.
All the hoopla over using the taser and possibly setting of a bomb was BS. A bomb can't be hidden under a tee-shirt and shorts.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2005-08-02 10:02||   2005-08-02 10:02|| Front Page Top

#13 it is what is expected of you

Remind me again, RC - you have kids? How many and what ages?

Ever struggled to help a kid of yours with serious problems?

If not, you don't have any idea how agonizing this is.
Posted by anon 2005-08-02 10:15||   2005-08-02 10:15|| Front Page Top

#14 It may be what's expected, RC, but that doesn't mean it's easy. That's why so many parents go into denial when confronted with the thought that their child might be a monster.
Posted by Bobby 2005-08-02 10:31||   2005-08-02 10:31|| Front Page Top

#15 From the number of arrests it seems that there were plenty of people willing to provide this cell with support after the abortive bombings. RC's point is fair - that at a time where everyone in this city is under threat, there exists more pressure to be a good citizen. The Ibrahims have acted within these expecations to their credit - I think the gravity of the situation should overcome any familial loyalties.
Posted by Howard UK 2005-08-02 11:02||   2005-08-02 11:02|| Front Page Top

#16 Remind me again, RC - you have kids?

No I don't.

Don't know what difference that makes in recognizing what's right and expected.

It may be what's expected, RC, but that doesn't mean it's easy.

Didn't say it was easy. I said it's what's expected of them.

And, hell, if you want to throw a party for them, go for it. Just don't expect me to applaud.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-02 11:04|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-02 11:04|| Front Page Top

#17 No parties. No applause. Just hope.
Posted by Bobby 2005-08-02 11:06||   2005-08-02 11:06|| Front Page Top

#18 I usually agree with you, RC, but I'd suggest you take a second look on this one.

Didn't say it was easy. I said it's what's expected of them.

You said "merely" expected.

This is one where the chickenhawk argument actually has a lot of weight for me. Things are different when it is your child in a way one can't really understand until one has a child and that's why it can't really be explained with merely words.

You're missing a great part of life. I hope you've made the right decision for yourself or you get the opportunity to have total responsibility for the growth and development of another human being. There's nothing quite like it, and that's not all good or bad.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-08-02 11:19||   2005-08-02 11:19|| Front Page Top

#19 I am reminded by what Aussie PM Howard said about "never being able to get into the mind of a successful suicide bomber". So all of a sudden, Al Qaida produces these incompetent clowns who appear to rationalize their action, using the same sad LLL story line parroted by the MSM because they know it will be re-amplified by the same MSM until the perperators become the victims. And just to make sure the plan works, the parents come trotting out. The bomb failures were intentional.
Posted by john">john  2005-08-02 11:24||   2005-08-02 11:24|| Front Page Top

#20 RC - I never understood why children should be a part of "women and children first" until I had one. The horror of innocent children being killed took on a whole new meaning.
Posted by Bobby 2005-08-02 12:07||   2005-08-02 12:07|| Front Page Top

#21 Bobby -- Muktar was not a child. Do you think he would have hesitated if the bus he got on had been packed with school children?

Mrs. Davis -- The "chickenhawk" argument is as applicable here as it is anywhere. The Ibrahim's "baby" was plotting to murder other people's "babies", so that aspect balances out. No matter how hard it was for his parents, had he succeeded, dozens of families would have had it much, much worse.

They had it easy, no matter how hard you think it was for them.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-02 12:29|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-02 12:29|| Front Page Top

#22 They had it easy, no matter how hard you think it was for them

Like I said, RC, that's where your lack of personal experience leads you astray here.

They did what they should have done. But the idea that it was EASY ... nope, it was damned hard and would be for pretty much any parent.

Lots of what we give medals and awards for are what people 'should' have done: firemen going into burning buildings, soldiers rescuing buddies in firefights. The reality is that what we 'should' do is sometimes damned hard, painful and requires real courage and conviction of principles. And when people manage to do things despite that pain and danger, we rightfully recognize the courage it took to act.

This family was courageous. Not only did they turn in their young member, they did so in the context of an extremist community that might well be expected to turn on them.

AND they did it in the face of people like you who don't even recognize what it took to do what they did.
Posted by anon 2005-08-02 13:12||   2005-08-02 13:12|| Front Page Top

#23 Parents first usually give their child unconditional love, but for those who overcome denial in the face of overwhelming evidence that their child is truly evil, many times though no fault of theirs, it must be almost as though that child died...

And, when like me you watch a child grow, you pray that he turns out to be someone you are truly proud of... (Son is 4-1/2)
Posted by BigEd 2005-08-02 13:22||   2005-08-02 13:22|| Front Page Top

#24 They did what they should have done. But the idea that it was EASY ... nope, it was damned hard and would be for pretty much any parent.

As I said:

No matter how hard it was for his parents, had he succeeded, dozens of families would have had it much, much worse.

That's my last word on the subject.
Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-08-02 13:26|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-08-02 13:26|| Front Page Top

#25 Don't humanize these Islamofuckers. Just flush them down the stool with the other turds.
Posted by Captain America 2005-08-02 13:50||   2005-08-02 13:50|| Front Page Top

#26 Anon, that last line was cheap. JC acknowledged the obvious as anybody would. The difference arises elsewhere. JC's not the only one who has a slightly different perspective regarding the nature of one's responsiblities to family and society. And yes, I do have a child and love him dearly. The family did it and for that I have a certain measure of respect for them regardless of motives. Oh, and by the way anon, they did have it very fucking easy inasmuch as their son was not killed for nothing that son did or said by some murderous thug. There's a special difference in that is there not? It is easier when your child is still alive (there is always hope if you're alive, right?) and not dead, and burned and mutilated by the hands of a sick sociopath.
Posted by MunkarKat 2005-08-02 13:59||   2005-08-02 13:59|| Front Page Top

#27 Captain America, they ARE human.

I know it would be easier to hate them, dehumanize them. But these parents are human and acted that way. And you would lessen your own humanity if you denied that.
Posted by Spemble Achrinatus9967 2005-08-02 14:37||   2005-08-02 14:37|| Front Page Top

#28 
Don't humanize these Islamofuckers. Just flush them down the stool with the other turds.


Were you one of the people complaining earlier that the immigrant communities in Europe weren't doing enough to fight the extremists in their midst?

Well, they did it. Why are you still complaining?
Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-08-02 14:38|| http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]">[http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2005-08-02 14:38|| Front Page Top

#29 7/21 was a perfect distraction for 7/7
Posted by DEEK 2005-08-02 15:46||   2005-08-02 15:46|| Front Page Top

#30 I think we need to recognize that the terrorist-loving Muslim "spokesmen" from CAIR get the ink for suggesting that Muslims should protect the terrorists in their midst, but ordinary Muslims, even as they continue to disagree with US foreign policy, are turning in some of the people who are organizing these attacks. We can continue to disagree with these loyal Muslims about our foreign policy, but be thankful that they are turning in the mass murderers in their community. I believe, for example, that there is no way that the Buffalo plotters could have been arrested without someone in their mosque sticking it to them.
Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei  2005-08-02 22:32|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-08-02 22:32|| Front Page Top

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