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2021-07-28 Science & Technology

Viral load in vaccinated people is as high as it is in the unvaccinated

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 00:59|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

Maryland Man Charged With Threatening to Set Anthony Fauci and His Family on Fire

Posted by Crique Crock2035 2021-07-28 08:31|| 2021-07-28 08:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Only a matter of time before some unvaccinated attacks a vaccination center murdering personnel and clients.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 08:37|| 2021-07-28 08:37|| Front Page Top

#3 ^ What makes you think that ? Kind of stretching things a bit.

Posted by crazyhorse 2021-07-28 09:26|| 2021-07-28 09:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Let be even more specific - within two weeks from today.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 09:35|| 2021-07-28 09:35|| Front Page Top

#5 within two weeks from today.

I'll take that bet. We are not against the vaccination. We just don't want to be forced to take it.

Posted by Angstrom 2021-07-28 09:37|| 2021-07-28 09:37|| Front Page Top

/\ Now moving into the realm of Siener van Rensburg.

Time will tell.

Posted by Besoeker 2021-07-28 09:43|| 2021-07-28 09:43|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm not saying you'll do it. But among crazy people - and anti-vaxxers are crazy - some are more crazier than others.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 09:51|| 2021-07-28 09:51|| Front Page Top

#8
A well earned KUDO to Rantburg'ers.

It seems, what many of us have openly pondered here for months ago. In that the mRNA Vax do not stop/kill/neutralize the C19-21(A-D). The Vax could just make a person's body immune to it and potential carriers for each 14+/- day infection cycle.

So we could have 1/3+ of the US population as potential Typhoid Mary's walking, shopping, handling food and flying around in the USA.

BTW: I agree with #5.
We just don't want to be forced to take something we don't fully trust and even the experts are not sure of the long range implications & issues yet.

Posted by NN2N1 2021-07-28 09:58|| 2021-07-28 09:58|| Front Page Top

#9 So sorry, NN2N1, but you people forfeited any credibility when you started producing "scientific" proofs against masks & social distancing.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 10:08|| 2021-07-28 10:08|| Front Page Top

#10 ^
Why do you keep stepping into
thickened fists, my friend?
These adamant men and women
are just following their trend,
of not trusting a damn word
said by the federal fiend.

All that matter to me, is
that everyone good will live,
and continue to give,
libtards and muzz the shiv.
And most, that our pals here
refrain from meeting their end.

Posted by Dron66046 2021-07-28 10:18|| 2021-07-28 10:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Speaking of scientific credibility... despite a whole lot of recent problems, I was able to find, this weekend, a physical copy of the PDR from 2017 that had dosage information for HCQ. Its recommended emergency dosage for malaria treatment was 1600 mg over the first 48 hours.

I think the scientific study you linked a couple weeks back had the patients taking 2800 mg over the first 48 hours.

As near as I can tell, the study was giving the patients a lethal dose of the drug but not acknowledging it and pretending to prove it doesn't work.

I don't expect you to take my word for it, but I took pictures and video, or alternatively, you could go to a library (if they're open there) and look it up for yourself.

(I have to go off now to get my bank account fixed and my car fixed, TTYL).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-07-28 10:23|| 2021-07-28 10:23|| Front Page Top

#12 I remain amazed that so many "smart" people know not to put the entire executive team onto the same plane...yet openly desire to put ALL of the human team into the plane marked "Vaccinated".

What if that plan goes down?

Posted by Crusader 2021-07-28 10:29|| 2021-07-28 10:29|| Front Page Top

#13 and anti-vaxxers are crazy

From where I'm standing, any healthy person under 40 who gets the vaccine is crazy.

Posted by Angstrom 2021-07-28 11:19|| 2021-07-28 11:19|| Front Page Top

#14 Crusader: there are multiple vaccines available, with at least 3 different general operating principles.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-07-28 11:32|| 2021-07-28 11:32|| Front Page Top

#15 ^10 Because I'm going to miss some unvaccinated here when they die.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 11:40|| 2021-07-28 11:40|| Front Page Top

#16 What if that plane goes down?

Then no one will worry about it.

Posted by Skidmark 2021-07-28 11:46|| 2021-07-28 11:46|| Front Page Top

#17 From where I'm standing, any healthy person under 40 who gets the vaccine is crazy.

Then you're standing in the wrong place: As delta variant spreads, medical experts warn of risk to young children

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 11:47|| 2021-07-28 11:47|| Front Page Top

#18 Black couple dies of COVID after refusing to take vaccine because they didn't trust doctors after 40-year-long Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment that denied penicillin to black men with the STI

Posted by Skidmark 2021-07-28 12:04|| 2021-07-28 12:04|| Front Page Top

#19 Capitol physician announces all lawmakers, staff and reporters will require masks - regardless of their vaccination status - after CDC issued new guidance

Posted by Skidmark 2021-07-28 12:05|| 2021-07-28 12:05|| Front Page Top

#20 Around a quarter of white evangelical protestants say they won't get vaccinated - the biggest religious group to refuse the shot followed by Mormons with 19% saying no: Jews are the most likely to get jab with 85% approving

Posted by Skidmark 2021-07-28 12:06|| 2021-07-28 12:06|| Front Page Top

#21 So the apocalypse isn't going to end with a bang, just gasping and whimpering from the ~~walking~~ crawling dead.

Posted by Skidmark 2021-07-28 12:10|| 2021-07-28 12:10|| Front Page Top

#22 #20 Evilution in action?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 12:13|| 2021-07-28 12:13|| Front Page Top

#23 Then you're standing in the wrong place

I like it here just fine. Check in in a year or so. Let's see how things look then.

Posted by Angstrom 2021-07-28 12:13|| 2021-07-28 12:13|| Front Page Top

#24 SARS-CoV-2 can have severe effects: a preprint posted last month compared images of people’s brains from before and after they had COVID-19, and found loss of grey matter in several areas of the cerebral cortex.

And brain cells don't reproduce - so the damage is permanent.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 12:17|| 2021-07-28 12:17|| Front Page Top

#25 “ https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/”. The information on viral prevention was disproven on the 50s, but the CDC…

Posted by Vensa 2021-07-28 12:19|| 2021-07-28 12:19|| Front Page Top

#26
The Simpsons predicted spread of coronavirus

Posted by Spike Spolutch2490 2021-07-28 12:35|| 2021-07-28 12:35|| Front Page Top

#27 It is susally interesting to read past the posted teaser. To wit -

Some researchers believe that the high viral load in vaccinated people with Delta may include lots of dead viral particles, which might still show up in a test despite having already been neutralized by the immune response provoked by vaccination. The CDC evidently believes differently.

Posted by Bobby 2021-07-28 12:48|| 2021-07-28 12:48|| Front Page Top

#28 #22 is regressive evolution. You can't believe a word he says. Just wants to argue.

Posted by Dale 2021-07-28 12:50|| 2021-07-28 12:50|| Front Page Top

#29 Also - If you’re going to mask, wear a real mask. A piece of fabric from CVS won’t do much to prevent infecting others with a variant that produces a thousand times as many viral particles as the original SARS-CoV-2 did. Wear an N95. They’re widely available — for the moment.

I have a washable Sonovia mask, myself. Better dust it off, I guess.

Posted by Bobby 2021-07-28 12:53|| 2021-07-28 12:53|| Front Page Top

#30 Dr. Leana Wen — “New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood, facilitating spread.”

Posted by Blinky Platypus8845 2021-07-28 14:53|| 2021-07-28 14:53|| Front Page Top

#31 Ref: #9 "You people..."

I cited facts from various respected medical sources and vendors in the case on masks.

eg. When the C-19/21A-D is smaller than the filtering design of the mostly used paper masks. Is it SAFE as stated? HELL NO!

Given any virus can infect via the Eyes. So how is a paper mask helping other than reducing how far an infected person discharge carries?

Why weren't face shields required?

Shouldn't the mandate be, that the infected MUST wear a protective coverings instead?

If masks worked, then why were we told for 11+ months a simple surgical paper mask was enough... suddenly we needed to wear double masks?

Why 6ft Social Distancing, when the CDC's own pre-2019 Flu data shows Viruses travel up to 12 ft via Sneeze or cough?

Despite being told otherwise, we now know the virus could remain in the air for up 1 hour in closed room/office areas. So does Social Distancing work in a ER, doctors office or waiting room?

Why were we told early on it was a BAT and now we all know factually its was the WUHAN Lab $$$$ sponsored by guess who?

Why were we told it lives on any surface 12 to 24 hours? When its a Virus which quickly dies if not in contact with a suitable living BIOLOGIC source.

If it is so bad, then why are we permitted to dispose of possible C-19/21A-D infected masks and tissues in the general garbage or toilet that ends up at the City dump or treatment facilities?

Is the C-19/21A-D real? HELL Yes!

Does it kill Older persons and those with existing Medical issues? HELL Yes!

Does it kill in the numbers reported in the USA? Questionable.

Did it have the 4.3% mortality rate as predicted in 2020 by the experts?
NO! It was less than 2.4+/-% AND ONLY IF you were part 2.6+/-% that got infected. An that mortality rate was BEFORE the VAX was available and issued.

So given all the BS, false or mistaken facts generated by THEM PEOPLE in charge to LOOK like they had a handle on it, or for political reasons. It has left too many feeling played and dis trustful of THEM PEOPLE.

Posted by NN2N1 2021-07-28 15:01|| 2021-07-28 15:01|| Front Page Top

#32 It is unpublished, and the CDC has not released it. But “it is concerning enough that we feel like we have to act,” Walensky said.

Could you release the data please. No offense, but it's a CDC credibility thing. Boy who cried wolf too many times.

Posted by JohnQC 2021-07-28 15:30|| 2021-07-28 15:30|| Front Page Top

#33 #31 StillConfused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

The science starts on page 4.

p.s. Proper way to present scientific evidence - or any evidence - is to cite the source. So the reader can check for her/himself and NOT rely on your reputation. Because "I cited facts from various respected medical sources and vendors in the case on masks." has the same validity as "I'm the Galactic Overlord".

That said, believe what you wish - just don't try claiming that it's an objective fact.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 16:11|| 2021-07-28 16:11|| Front Page Top

#34

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-28 16:45|| 2021-07-28 16:45|| Front Page Top

#35 1st of all g(r)omgoru
Thanks for the info exchange, it has made the discussion more interesting.

SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) by the numbers
SOURCE : NIH.GOV
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7224694/
SARS-CoV-2 is an enveloped virus ≈0.1 μm in diameter, so a N95 masks are capable of filtering

Multiple Sources But let stick with The FED's.
www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19

Paper Surgical or “Procedure” Masks DO NOT offer the needed level of filtering. "These masks are not as effective at filtering out small particles like viruses and bacteria..."Surgical masks with ear loops only provided 38.1 percent filtration.

1 & 2 Ply Cloth Masks - Reusable cloth masks are not as effective in the prevention of infection as N95 respirators or surgical masks. This is because the pores in woven materials are larger than 0.3 microns and cannot, therefore, filter out all of the droplets containing viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, in which the viral particle size is 0.125 microns.

SUMMARY: N-95 or better YES. Cloth Masks & Paper Surgical NO or IFY
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VACCINATED PERSONS

CDC walks back claim that vaccinated people can’t carry COVID-19 NY POST April
By Natalie O'Neill April 2, 2021 | 11:37am | Updated
Source: nypost.com/2021/04/02/cdc-walks-back-claim-that-vaccinated-people-cant-carry-covid/

“It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get COVID-19,” a CDC spokesperson told the New York Times. “The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence.” Dr. Peter Bach, director of the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York, said confusion about bulletproof immunity could lead to Americans refusing to wear a mask after getting the jabs.

COVID-19 vaccinated person can remain a virus carrier, professor says
29 Mar 2021 news.az/news/covid-19-vaccinated-person-can-remain-a-virus-carrier-professor-says.

Director of the Azerbaijani Research Institute of Medical Prevention, Professor Adil Abdullayev told Trend.

Posted by NN2N1 2021-07-28 18:44|| 2021-07-28 18:44|| Front Page Top

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