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John McCain: "We cannot walk away gracefully from defeat in this war."

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Posted by Mike 2007-07-11 09:43|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top
File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1 And he gets it on the single most important issue of the day.

Posted by Bobby 2007-07-11 10:21|| 2007-07-11 10:21|| Front Page Top

#2 Gee John. How many Americans have died or been crippled by the jihadists in the last 7 years? How many Americans have been killed or maimed by illegals in this country in the same period of time? You seem to be able to walk away from the death toll of the latter to do nothing to truly solve the threat other than 'declare victory' by legalizing the situation. How come you 'get' the threat in the former and not the latter? Not enough Muslim votes to sell out on?

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-07-11 10:31|| 2007-07-11 10:31|| Front Page Top

#3 The MSM has been saying that the war and immigration has torpedoed his campaign. I'm inclinded to think it was immigration. He gets the war and the importance of it. If we don't fight the war to win in Iraq and Afghanistan, we will pay hell later.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-11 10:48|| 2007-07-11 10:48|| Front Page Top

#4 Standard leftie line: More folks die in car crashes than from terrorism.

Which misses the whole point,which is that terror is an aggression, its disruptive beyond the deaths involved, and its the responsibility of the federal govt to stop it.'

Its the responsibility of local and state govt to enforce traffic laws. and all other ordinary criminal laws, whether violated by illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, native born, or whatever.

Whether you like the immigration bill, or feel its too soft (i doubt many here thinks its too harsh) claiming its more important than victory over radical Islamism, is falling into the same logical trap as the far left.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-07-11 10:52|| 2007-07-11 10:52|| Front Page Top

#5 Unfortunately, John and Joe are speaking to a wall of resistance. I am now more convinced than ever that the reason the NYTs wants immediate withdrawl and guys like Lugar and Domenici are going dark is no one wants to see "Bush" win in Iraq. Its not that they don't want to see the US win but Bush lose. It is the worst form of narcissism and political selfishness. Bush needs to do some political gamesmanship himself to help Petraeus. One, have Cheney resign and appoint McCain as his VP or better yet Guliani. Send Gonzalez down the road. Remove all the distractions to the war and reinforce the mission at home. You win battles in theatre and lose wars at home. Does Bush get that part? I am beginning to think not.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2007-07-11 10:53|| 2007-07-11 10:53|| Front Page Top

#6 McCain gets the war - no doubt & I agree w/him on that point.

The reason his campaign is in the toilet is due to his idiotic immigration stance. That's why the repub base is fleeing him. (though the finance reform was another poke in the ribs)

You can't have one w/out the other. Bush doesn't get it either - which is why the base is fleeing him as well. If you care about American sovereignty and security you fight the war tooth and nail in Iraq and build a wall (not some tin fence) on your borders. Case closed. All else is bozo the clown political peacockery. If Bush really wanted to win the war in the most efficient manner possible he would shut down the media in iraq, loosen the ROE's and turn the lads loose. He would simultaneously need to do more press meetings and go on the offensive about what is going right in Iraq, plus, it wouldn't hurt if he beat up the media now and again about good our economy really is and call them on their bullsh*t wrt iraq. Unfortunately he's painful to listen to & kind of an elitist. Additionaly I think gets real bad PR advice.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-07-11 11:45|| 2007-07-11 11:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Notice Broadhead6 he had no problem bad mouthing the 'nativists' and use his sock puppets to brand those who believe in the physical sovereignty of the US as racists. Go figure his glad handing with the war critics in the media or Congress.

And LH - what the left doesn't grasp is that we don't accept the death toll on the highway either and are just as upset with letting the butchers, be they AQ or multiple offense DUIs, get away with murder in either case.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-07-11 12:38|| 2007-07-11 12:38|| Front Page Top

#8 Jackback-
Can't have Cheney resign; Senate wouldn't confirm any replacement to the right of Specter.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-07-11 13:20|| 2007-07-11 13:20|| Front Page Top

#9 Its not that they don't want to see the US win but Bush lose.

Bingo! It is truly despicable but these people care less about national security than they do about petty politics. If this was Clinton's war they'd be lining up behind him/her in support just like they did in Kosovo which really was a blunder.

But Jack, Bush should be the one to resign, not Cheney. History's judgement may be kinder but I think Bush is a failure. Our border with Mexico is a helluva lot closer to me than Iraq is. So, while I agree with what McCain says about Iraq, his position wrt immigration causes me to question not only his judgement but Bush's too. If they don't respect Americans' desire for a secure border and NO AMNESTY how can we trust them with a war? OK, forget what any of us think about amnesty and look at it this way: They should have known that they would lose the crucial support of the conservative base over amnesty. I knew it and I'm just an ordinary citizen. So the only conclusion left is that they really are too stupid to be in positions of leadership. I don't know if Cheney would be any better but I don't see how he could be any worse.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-07-11 16:08|| 2007-07-11 16:08|| Front Page Top

#10 Its not that they don't want to see the US win but Bush lose.

It may be semantics, but take a listen to the anti-war crowd talking on TV: how often do they say "war" vs. "failed policy"? It is easy and righteous to oppose a "failed policy". Not so much with respect to a war.

Posted by eLarson 2007-07-11 17:05|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com] 2007-07-11 17:05|| Front Page Top

#11 You win battles in theatre and lose wars at home.

Our military has no problem winning wars on the field. I doubt they can be beaten if unleashed and allowed to wage war. Too bad our military does not have a Congress and leadership worthy of them. Too many of our recent Presidents are too worried about their legacy instead of taking care of business and letting the legacy take care of itself.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-11 18:29|| 2007-07-11 18:29|| Front Page Top

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