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2014-07-28 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by trailing wife 2014-07-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top
File under: Hamas

#1 Returning to the 'burg for the first time since ..... ???? .... hmmm, could be 2006, when I commented as "Verlaine in Iraq".

Anyway .... I've been in slack-jawed, usually speechless amazement at the course of events since last I was here, and esp. of course since late 2008. But I'm wondering if right here (with this UNSC nonsense) we have a candidate for a real, bona fide dust up with Iz'rl.

Of course I don't know the geography and details intimately, but if Iz'rl can continue their tunnel work (and intel work, which is never mentioned but of course is usually one of the big pay-offs for actual ground operations and engagement) during "humanitarian ceasefires", then perhaps a sublime kabuki is all we have (UN pretends to be upset, US is irrelevant and mistrusted by all parties and ignored, Sauds/Egyptians/Gulfies ex Qatar are happy Hamas continues to get pulverized, Turkey puts on a sideline tantrum, Jordan continues to worry more about what's to their east than to their west).

Just can't believe Bibi will allow, for the umpteenth time (historically, not during his terms), outside powers to impose future costs and suffering on Israelis and Palestinians by imposing "solutions" that interrupt achievement of real solutions.

Posted by Verlaine 2014-07-28 01:45|| 2014-07-28 01:45|| Front Page Top

#2 IMHO Israel can hold her own in any Middle East dog fight. Constantly coming up with defensive and offensive innovation. Look to Israel becoming the most advanced and efficient military in the world.

Posted by Thineng Angailet7166 2014-07-28 02:44|| 2014-07-28 02:44|| Front Page Top

#3 Welcome back Verlaine.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-07-28 04:23|| 2014-07-28 04:23|| Front Page Top

#4 every conflict brings both death and opportunity

in this conflict the IDF has learned some things about detecting tunnels and, even more, how to use Hamas's tunnels for their own purposes

unfortunately, Iron Beam, the laser intercept system doesn't seem to have been ready for robust testing against live fire; however, although no one is saying, some of the components were probably tested

also the coordination of UAVs, jets, copters, naval platforms, special forces, ground forces and undercover assests was probably improved a bit

Posted by lord garth 2014-07-28 07:09|| 2014-07-28 07:09|| Front Page Top

#5 How about that Obumble calls his brethren in Paleoland/Hamas and request that they stop firing rockets? Also while you are calling them, ask them why they house their rockets in hospitals, schools, and mosques. While you are at it Obumble, ask them why they use their citizens for human shields. Again, Obumble and Kerry are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Quit meddling and let Israel solve their own problems. There's an old Yiddish saying: "Tu mir nit kayn toives," that roughly translates to "Don't do me any favors (with SARC).

Posted by JohnQC 2014-07-28 10:06|| 2014-07-28 10:06|| Front Page Top

#6 Very glad to see you here again, Verlaine. I hope things went well for you in the interval. Yes, it has been... educational.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-07-28 12:26|| 2014-07-28 12:26|| Front Page Top

#7 why cant the paleos just pick up their prayer mats and walk their goats over to Jordan where they can live in muslim harmony

Posted by anon1 2014-07-28 13:33|| 2014-07-28 13:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Anon1-
Jordan doesn't want them. Egypt doesn't either.
Can you blame them?
After all look what happened to Lebannon - Beruit used to be called the 'Paris of the middle east'.

Posted by CrazyFool 2014-07-28 14:42|| 2014-07-28 14:42|| Front Page Top

#9 why cant the paleos just pick up their prayer mats and walk their goats over to Jordan where they can live in muslim harmony

Look up "Black September"

Posted by Pappy 2014-07-28 15:39|| 2014-07-28 15:39|| Front Page Top

#10 why cant the paleos just pick up their prayer mats and walk their goats over to Jordan where they can live in muslim harmony

Because the only thing Palestinians are good for is irritating the evil Jooz?

Posted by gorb 2014-07-28 16:26|| 2014-07-28 16:26|| Front Page Top

#11 Thanks for the welcome back, trailing wife. I see many familiar names already, even good ol' Joe Mendiola, doing .... well, doing what he does, still!

Actually off the tread-mill/off the grid/occupied with other things mostly for a while, but needing/wanting to get involved again. Except I honestly don't have a country to work for anymore, that's my sincere gut feeling. Complicated, obviously, but a result of all the things we have seen happening all around us, and what it says about the populace, the disappearance of standards and integrity, and the fundamental unseriousness of the US on serious matters.

Posted by Verlaine 2014-07-28 17:12|| 2014-07-28 17:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Good to see you again Verlaine. I have had the same, sinking feeling the past year. The nation I knew and joined the Army to defend seems to not exist anymore and what seems to be coming fills me with dread.

Hopefully things work out.

Posted by DarthVader 2014-07-28 17:32|| 2014-07-28 17:32|| Front Page Top

#13 Paleos are the "trash" of the middle east. Thats why they stay. Not too mention being the trssh of the ME is saying alot.

Posted by chris 2014-07-28 17:54|| 2014-07-28 17:54|| Front Page Top

#14 Verlaine, welcome back. Why is Qatar different from other gulf states in who/what they back?

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2014-07-28 19:11|| 2014-07-28 19:11|| Front Page Top

#15 welcome back, Verlaine

Posted by Frank G 2014-07-28 21:34|| 2014-07-28 21:34|| Front Page Top

#16 Except I honestly don't have a country to work for anymore

Stuff and nonsense, all of you! We are all still here, and as many like us as there ever were. Yes, there's a superficial layer of users overlaying the bedrock that is the sum of the nation's sturdy yeomanry, and good Lord! are they noisy about it. But this, too, shall pass.

This is the Long War, remember? That means it's going to take more than a few years, and there will be setbacks, and perfidies, Perhaps for a while you won't be able to serve as you did before, the way you love. That happens to all of us, sooner or later. In the meantime, find a different way to serve. Join a group checking the voter rolls for duplicate and imaginary Americans. Register people to vote, and help them get to the polls. Check all your former residences to make sure you aren't still registered in any of them, and if you are, get yourself taken off the rolls, so that your vote can't be used. On voting day, get there early and bloody well vote! don't withhold your vote because the candidate of your party is imperfect, vote against his/her opponent, to keep someone worse out of office.

Find a new way to apply your skills, even if you don't get paid for it. Teach shooting classes, comment here, post key articles that will increase our understanding of what's going on, get into politics... There are infinite possibilities, all you have to do is look around and find one to make use of.

For the love of all that's holy, I was a little suburban housewife when I found this place, formerly the terror of my PTA. Formerly because I'd gotten sick, it turned into severe chronic fatigue, and by the time I got here I was sleeping 16 hours a day and pretty useless the rest of the time. You allowed me to be useful here, by answering my questions. I wrote something once, just a response to something someone wrote, and 49 Pan printed it out and posted it over his SF unit's coffeepot in the break room, to inspire them. I am nobody in particular, but I wrote something that somehow was inspirational! If I can do that, what can you all, with your real skills and deep knowledge, accomplish?

They win if you quit. If you don't, they'll just lose tired.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-07-28 23:30|| 2014-07-28 23:30|| Front Page Top

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