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2004-07-28 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-07-28 12:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 We should not miss this golden opportunity to spread the word of Christ. People are hungry and war torn. An ideal situation to convert Muslims to Christians.

Posted by Susan 2004-07-28 12:53:09 AM|| 2004-07-28 12:53:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 That would be a death sentence in Iraq right now Susan. Muslims need to be freed, for sure, if this conflict is to be resolved. But missionaries right now in such a war torn place would only make things stickier. But, doll, I know what you mean.

Posted by Lucky 2004-07-28 1:31:19 AM|| 2004-07-28 1:31:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Susan - I think your idea is bad. Now is not the time nor will it ever be for that part of the world.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2004-07-28 10:20:05 AM|| 2004-07-28 10:20:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Actually, my sheikh friend, the Kurds and Shia are the answer to your problems. Heh. "Have a nice day".

Posted by Verlaine 2004-07-28 10:38:23 AM|| 2004-07-28 10:38:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 ...that Islam is the answer to our problems. The only solution is Islamic government."

Yeah...that's the answer!!!! Let's mass rape women and girls, burn villagers alive, have acid throwing contests using girls as targets, pull civilization back 2 or 3 centuries and re-start the islamic slavetraders using black africans as the currency...AGAIN, and enforce a Stalinistic theocracy that would make a North Korean blush.

Everyone would knuckle under except for you and your fellow blackhats, Sheikh Mahdi Ahmed al-Sumaidi. You and and your butt-buddies will use SA as a model where you can drink and smoke and rape and "be a man" at the expense of your constituents.

Gee, that sounds a lot like Saddam, Uday and Qusay, doesn't it?

Posted by anymouse 2004-07-28 1:10:20 PM|| 2004-07-28 1:10:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I think we need to look closer at Susan's suggestion.

Ignoring which religion is correct, we are fighting a worldview that offers no compromise. We need allies, and must select from "Radical Islam's" enemies and pick palatable choices

Current strategy is to encourage moderate islam. This does create a buffer, but doesn't do anyting to actually reduce the extremists. It does help them by providing shelter and "unattackable" targets.

We must commit ourselves to total victory, or defeat - there is no detente mode in Islam. If we are to be victorious, we must change Islam or eradicate it.

Can Islam be changed? It seems to be based on conquest, slavery and other repugnant things, with no hope of a reformer as Muhamed was declared the last prophet. As literacy spreads in the middle east, this problem will increase, not decrease, as the way of life is in writing.

I recommend a subversive Christian conversion. We can do the conversion through NGO's, much as saudi funds terrorism. That allows us deniability, and we can take a moral stand about freedom of religion.

An excellent test bed would be Darfur, where we can leverage off Muslim violence against the native population.

Posted by flash91 2004-07-28 1:20:44 PM|| 2004-07-28 1:20:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Ibn Taymiyyah mosque

Ibn Tammiyah just happens to be the name of a medieval Islamic scholar who is something of an antecedent of Wahabism. Perhaps this is a mosque that has always been Wahabist? Perhaps we're not getting a full picture?

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-07-28 4:02:32 PM|| 2004-07-28 4:02:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 "God uses many tools,ââ he[Sunni "preacher] says. "Americaâs brutality has caused many to understand that Islam is the answer to our problems. The only solution is Islamic government."
Far be it from me to say I told you so...the only trustworthy, pro American Iraqi is a Kurd...umm... let's see..."secular" Sunni Iraqis who suppressed Shiites are now teaming up with former suppressed Shiites in hate America mindset. Ummm...so now GI's are viewed as useful tools by the folks we "liberated"...very nice...I've said my peace because no doubt, this short post will provoke a fire storm of attacks from wishful RB thinkers. Let me save your breath, I know exactly what will be said:"But it's only a handful of insurgents and lots of foreign fighters. The majority of Iraqis want a free and open society. It just takes a while." Rightttt...the only Iraqis worth their salt are Kurds. Let the Sunnis and Shiites fight it out themselves... it could save our GI's ammunition.

Posted by rex 2004-07-28 7:14:04 PM|| 2004-07-28 7:14:04 PM|| Front Page Top

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