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2023-07-24 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Biden: ‘Don’t rush’ to legislate judicial overhaul. ‘Current proposal becoming more divisive, not less’

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Posted by trailing wife 2023-07-24 01:37|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 'Don't Rush' - see Obamacare

One set of rules for me, another set of rules for thee.

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-07-24 07:51|| 2023-07-24 07:51|| Front Page Top

#2 In all I've read about this I still have no idea about what the problem with "reasonableness" is.

Is there a short answer tp that?

Posted by AlanC 2023-07-24 09:43|| 2023-07-24 09:43|| Front Page Top

#3 ^ It's utterly subjective. One man's reasonableness is another's utter insanity.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-07-24 09:46|| 2023-07-24 09:46|| Front Page Top

#4 The job of a judge is to see that the law - as written - is followed scrupulously. Making it up as you go along is not that at all.

If a law is unconstitutional, let the supreme legal authority of the land strike it down. If the legislature wants to reinstate it, let them retool it to meet the requirements of constitutionality.

The death penalty in the US is a textbook example of the process from start to finish.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-07-24 09:49|| 2023-07-24 09:49|| Front Page Top

#5 "Democracy" is not unelected individuals unilaterally pulling the rug of the constitution out from under the electorate on a whim.

So, all the screeching is in fact a case of "You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means."

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-07-24 09:52|| 2023-07-24 09:52|| Front Page Top

#6 MM, I got my degree, more than 50 yrs ago, in Government / Poli Sci. So I'm "reasonably" familiar with the general issue.

What I don't understand is, in Israel, who is trying to sand-bag whom.

Posted by AlanC 2023-07-24 15:11|| 2023-07-24 15:11|| Front Page Top

#7 I thought it wasn't good to interfere in other countries' internal affairs? What exactly is Joe's standing in all this?

Posted by Tom 2023-07-24 15:51|| 2023-07-24 15:51|| Front Page Top

#8 In all I've read about this I still have no idea about what the problem with "reasonableness" is.

in Israel, who is trying to sand-bag whom.

Israel’s judiciary is primarily leftwing, AlanC, and they’ve been very pro-active about blocking government initiatives when Bibi Netanyahu and the center-right are in power. That’s part of the reason they keep having elections.

As far as I can tell, the reasonableness thing is a requirement that judges rule on actual texts of the law, not what they from their leftwing perspective believe to be how the law ought to have been written.

What exactly is Joe's standing in all this?

The powerful president of America, and the claim of being Israel’s only supporter in the entire world — a warning that support will be withdrawn if Israel does not do as it is told.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-07-24 17:12|| 2023-07-24 17:12|| Front Page Top

#9 ^Thank you. So the protests are like our Dobbs mayhem.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-07-24 18:09|| 2023-07-24 18:09|| Front Page Top

#10 Or the anti-Trump P*ssy marches, Super Hose. The leaders of this thing also led the last N anti-Bibi “movements” — they’re pros.

About the resonableness standard from the Daily Wire:

The 64-0 vote, with all members of the right-wing bloc voting for the amendment and all members of the opposition boycotting the vote, was to curb the nation’s “reasonableness standard.” That standard enabled judges in Israel to apply a “reasonableness standard” to block decisions by elected officials that they believe are beyond the scope of what a responsible and reasonable authority would do.

The standard thereby gave the justices a de facto veto on most if not all government policies. The Israeli Supreme Court has always been dominated by leftists, and unlike the United States and other Western countries, enables justices on the court to pick their successors, thus giving the Left permanent control of the judiciary and thus control over government decisions.

This bill is the first step toward giving control to a government elected by an increasingly conservative citizenry.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-07-24 18:16|| 2023-07-24 18:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Kritarchy, rule by judge, does have a history in Judea.

Posted by magpie 2023-07-24 18:27|| 2023-07-24 18:27|| Front Page Top

#12 ^ Thank you. I think many of us that support Israel figured that the bad crew was on one side of this. I was trying to determine which side Netanyahu was on. Often the leftists are the ones fiddling with the courts. This is an unfiddle. You have cleared it up.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-07-24 18:30|| 2023-07-24 18:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Never play the other guy's game. Never play a game where you never get to shuffle cut or deal. Never play a game where the rules are like trying to nail down a blob of mercury.

Leftists love "democracy" until the vote does not go their way. I believe here in America, if everything was decided by plebiscite, the leftists would be horrified by the results most of the time.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-07-24 18:34|| 2023-07-24 18:34|| Front Page Top

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