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2003-07-22 Britain

UK: Tony Martin refused leave âbecause of risk to burglarsâ

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Posted by Dar 2003-07-22 10:52:01 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Unbelievable. Whither goest thou, Britania?

Posted by mojo 2003-7-22 10:58:49 AM|| 2003-7-22 10:58:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 that guy fearon is actually suing claiming that Tony Martin ruined his sex life when he shot him.

There was a program on the BBC (yes that commie entity) last night Real Story about just this subject. There is an increasing number of criminals claiming that since burglary is their work they have the right to safe working conditions and increasingly end up suing their victims. What complete utter Fucking Bullshit I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the European court of human rights would actually agree.

Posted by rg117 2003-7-22 11:13:00 AM|| 2003-7-22 11:13:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 First of all, the guy Martin shot wasn't just a burglar, he was a Cat Burglar. And very handsome. Cat Burglars are very honorable. His accomplice, the Fearon chap, is a highly skilled safe cracker and those guys are hard to replace. You let this cowboy Martin go what sort of message are you sending to the public. I say "rot in rubbish you gun slinger, you killed a Cat Burglar!"

Posted by Lucky 2003-7-22 11:39:47 AM|| 2003-7-22 11:39:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I can see the TCU in Britain organizing the criminal element now. I find this whole story amazing. And, perhaps I would gain a small measure of satisfaction if Ms. Stewart were mugged.

Posted by Jim K 2003-7-22 11:43:13 AM|| 2003-7-22 11:43:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Groovy horrorshow! Clockwork Orange has arrived in Jolly Old England thanks to Ms. Stewart and the British "justice" system. Mebbee Alex and his pals could have a go around with Ms. Stewart.

Posted by Craig 2003-7-22 11:52:51 AM|| 2003-7-22 11:52:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "'Elpin' people, like..."

Posted by mojo 2003-7-22 12:26:40 PM|| 2003-7-22 12:26:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 It must be noted that the Tony Martin case has reinvigorated the question of self-defence against criminals.

I don't know why the verdict was reached but the case of the Columbian diplomat found not guilty of the murder of a mugger may be relevant.

Posted by A 2003-7-22 1:47:48 PM|| 2003-7-22 1:47:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Hey, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here. The U.N. is trying to outlaw guns in the US, and the Dems are fighting tooth and nail to keep Judicial Activism in play, so they can bring this type of enlightened jurisprudence to a courtroom near you.

How come no comment from Bulldog? Is he OK, or has he been jailed for unlawful possession of an opinion?

Posted by Hodadenon 2003-7-22 1:59:20 PM|| 2003-7-22 1:59:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Bernard Getz. Payback. Let the assholes be afraid, for a change.

Posted by PD 2003-7-22 2:00:53 PM|| 2003-7-22 2:00:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Makes me glad I live in Texas (motto - make sure the entry wound is in the front before calling the cops).

Posted by Steve 2003-7-22 2:20:14 PM|| 2003-7-22 2:20:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Heh, Hodadenon. Nope, I'm still here. Too ashamed to comment... His parole officer says Martin might re-offend... He's being sued by a man who entered his home to steal his property... What can you say?

Posted by Bulldog 2003-7-22 2:20:37 PM|| 2003-7-22 2:20:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Remember,though,the man responsible for this shit is none other than Tony Blair.UK is not a federal state like the US,nor is government power tempered by an elaborate constitution of checks and balances like yours.If Blair and the Labor Party wanted to change the law,they could do so anytime.

Posted by El Id 2003-7-22 2:23:21 PM|| 2003-7-22 2:23:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Bulldog - No sweat - it's not your doing - we know you're a smart and principled man who can tell shit from shinola. You'd be welcome in the Colonies. And the chicks would go for your accent, too. Don't underestimate the value inherent in being different from the average!

Steve - and if he crawls out the front door, just drag him back inside, shoot him again, and hose off the walk & porch. Wait for it to dry - one cup of coffee is about right. Then call cops.

Posted by PD 2003-7-22 2:53:59 PM|| 2003-7-22 2:53:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Samizdata.net has comments on this.

One point being that he in one sense could be considered a political prisoner.

--In it she said that Martinâs support base in the country had made him more likely to reoffend. "This is a case which has attracted immense and ongoing media attention and public interest," she wrote. --

Posted by Anonymous 2003-7-22 4:57:23 PM|| 2003-7-22 4:57:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 And don't forget it is the Australian PM, John Howard who disarmed the country a few years ago. He is on record as saying it it unacceptable for an Australian ever to use a gun to defend himself.
But the little turkey is a lawyer and unfortunately, way the best political choice we have right now.

Posted by Aussie Mike 2003-7-22 6:39:20 PM|| 2003-7-22 6:39:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 And don't forget it is the Australian PM, John Howard who disarmed the country a few years ago. He is on record as saying it it unacceptable for an Australian ever to use a gun to defend himself.
But the little turkey is a lawyer and unfortunately, way the best political choice we have right now.

Posted by Aussie Mike 2003-7-22 6:39:43 PM|| 2003-7-22 6:39:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 The NRA's monthly magazine has been following this case and "self-defense" in the UK. The standard is : no defense; if attacked, just fall down and let them beat the crap out of you! Would Martin be kept from even visiting the USA because of his "criminal" record?

Posted by OldeForce 2003-7-22 8:34:41 PM|| 2003-7-22 8:34:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Looks like Mr. Martin's philosophy too.

Posted by tu3031 2003-7-22 10:43:29 PM|| 2003-7-22 10:43:29 PM|| Front Page Top

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