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2006-07-17 Home Front: Culture Wars

Sept. 11 fallout fuels more Muslims going into law

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Posted by ryuge 2006-07-17 00:40|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 God-based ACLU???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-07-17 02:11|| 2006-07-17 02:11|| Front Page Top

#2 CREEPING/GRADUAL COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST meets CREEPING/GRADUAL ISLAMIST-THEOSOCIALIST!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-07-17 02:13|| 2006-07-17 02:13|| Front Page Top

#3 A close friend of mine from law school is now one of these screeching immigration attorneys. Her family fled Iran shortly before the fall of the shah. She was raised in San Fran, and engaged to an Irish Catholic -- but she got religion shortly before we graduated. Harangued me for an hour over lunch about the dirty Joooz, and told me how pleased she was with her fiance's reversion to Islam (Muslim women can't marry infidel dogs, y'know). Also took her 3-4 tries to pass the bar exam.

Of course, she was only the first of many friends who wound up fighting for the enemy. Sad. Reminds me of the Civil War.

Posted by exJAG 2006-07-17 02:14|| 2006-07-17 02:14|| Front Page Top

#4 2 reasons to toatly mistrust them islam and being a lawyer.

Lawyers are just below pond scum IMNSHO.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-17 03:03|| 2006-07-17 03:03|| Front Page Top

#5 On a more general level, I think that 9/11 was very effective in its secondary goal : it forced everybody to take side.

And I personally know at least three muslims, not fundies or anything, real "Moderate Muslims" (complete with conspiracy theories about how terror in Israel is actually masterminded by the jooos for appearing as "victims", who got "more muslim" (stopped eating pork, for one of them) after 9/11.

They see the true victims of 9/11 as *muslims*. what perverse victimization ideology.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-17 03:32|| 2006-07-17 03:32|| Front Page Top

#6 SPoD, I see your mother never taught you any manners. Astonishingly, some of us are good guys. Who do you think sticks up for soldiers slapped with bogus, politically motivated charges. Who do you think encourages commanders to fight right up to the razor edge of the law. Who do you think prosecutes muzzie terror plotters and financiers. Who do you think fights CAIR's endless defamation lawsuits, and university administrations that punish students for "hate speech." Who do you think is on the other side of the aisle every time the ACLU, AI, HRW, etc. insists the Constitution requires us to commit collective suicide. And on and on. There are very many lawyers actively engaged in the good fight, and this nation would collapse far more quickly without us. We happen to emphatically agree with your characterization of the legions of Islamo-leftist scum engaged in lawfare against their own countrymen. So try not to trash us all, please.

Posted by exJAG 2006-07-17 03:53|| 2006-07-17 03:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks for doing your job in the military.

Out in civil society Lawyers are job killing scum. Lawyers harm our society much more than they help it. There is no justice in the law and 99.9% of lawyers are totally devoid of any sense of justice all. All Lawyers care about is what is legal. Justice and right never enter into it. It is all about getting over on someone legally. We actually need about .01% of the current number of Lawyers we currently have.

Again thanks for doing your job in the military. Perhaps you can reconsider your civilian occupation.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-17 04:39|| 2006-07-17 04:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Muslims serve Muslims. Muslims are loyal only to Islamic states, and movements working to set up Islamic states. Muslims form a front-line for hostiles Islamic states. Muslims are a present danger, and can be nothing else than a future danger. If the Muslim presence in the Free World is not check, we will go from facing danger to: catastrophe.

No believer in Koran hate-murder incitement should live on free soil. Let's take Middle East oil, and let locals live as slaves to the moon-god, within confined areas.

Posted by Anginens Threreng8133 2006-07-17 05:03|| 2006-07-17 05:03|| Front Page Top

#9 Of course we'd be better off with 0.1% of the lawyers we have now. But that's wishful thinking, not reality. The reality is, the US would be finished in short order without substantial numbers of right-thinking attorneys fighting off the Islamo-leftist onslaught. The alternative is simply allowing the enemy to hijack the courts and transform our system of government. The extent to which they're successful at this anyway underscores the need to oppose them at every opportunity. An army of lawyers parallel to their own, however distasteful that is, is necessary to accomplish that.

If there was a better solution, I would support it wholeheartedly. Until then, we'll do whatever we can to defend the country on the home front. All the while, getting shit on by Islamists, leftists, and the press, and "friendlies" like you too. I do hope you hate the jihadis just a hair more than you hate lawyers, cuz sometimes it's hard to tell.

Posted by exJAG 2006-07-17 05:31|| 2006-07-17 05:31|| Front Page Top

#10 Fight the good fight, exJAG. I and many others here are not anti-lawyer. And yes, I've been on the receiving end of anger-making legal maneuvering too.

Posted by lotp 2006-07-17 06:11|| 2006-07-17 06:11|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't hate lawyers I just have no respect for them. Although I hate islamofascists I can assure no jihadi ever stole food off my table, money out of my familys bank account or killed off the chance of competeting for a living wage job for folk like me. Lawyers have done that though. So who should I fear more? At least you can walk around a rattle snake you don't dare take your eyes off of or turn your back on a lawyer.

I am done. Argue with yourself.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-17 06:19|| 2006-07-17 06:19|| Front Page Top

#12 Thanks, lotp. Believe me, I'll be locked & loaded and first in line if/when the time comes. The spousal unit (also JAG) has dibs on journalists and broadcast towers, I have dibs on lawyers and professors. Not to sound extreme or anything, but litigation often impressed me with its suicidal pointlessness.

BTW, I'm a chemistry professor these days. Got tired of arguing with idiots. ;)

Posted by exJAG 2006-07-17 06:26|| 2006-07-17 06:26|| Front Page Top

#13 The problem with lawyers is that 99% of them give the other 1% a bad name.

Posted by BrerRabbit 2006-07-17 06:55|| 2006-07-17 06:55|| Front Page Top

#14 I'd like to return to the focus of the thread, which is Muslims + law = bad juju. Another friend of mine from law school, a fluffy suburban girl, is Egyptian with a Muslim mother and a Coptic father. When she came of age, she was allowed to choose, and she chose Islam. But it was purely ornamental, mostly a declaration that she was multicultural and all that. She had an expensive-looking Qur'an sitting on her bookshelf that looked like it'd never been cracked open, right next to a closet full of miniskirts. For the hell of it, I'd fast with her during Ramadan -- then at dusk we'd stuff our faces with pepperoni pizza. Pepperoni. Heh.

So I e-mailed her after 9/11 -- first to make sure she was okay, as she worked in Manhattan -- but also to ask WTF, explain this Islam thing to me. I never heard from her again.

I know exactly one Muslim lawyer whose loyalty to the U.S. trumps their loyalty to the ummah. I hope it does, anyway, because she's a convert and an Army LTC. Have to admit it creeps me out.

Posted by exJAG 2006-07-17 07:43|| 2006-07-17 07:43|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks exjag, for the insight.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-07-17 08:10|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-17 08:10|| Front Page Top

#16 I've got stories to bash lawyers with the best, but it is amazing how prosperity and progress seem to follow the common law. Common lawyers are an expression of the wealth of a society. So I guess I want more. But I'd rather teach chemistry than argue with one.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-17 08:18|| 2006-07-17 08:18|| Front Page Top

#17 Lawfare. I wonder how many will pledge the supremacy of US law over sharia? Not that they can ever be trusted with taqiyya and kitman as formal doctines in islam.

Sort of on topic:
Lawyers in the US: 1 million
(70% worlds lawyers, 5% of population)
Doctors: 800,000
Police: 700,000
Something is really F'd in these numbers. Especially when there is a shortage of Americans in science, engineering, medicine and other technical (and productive) fields.

Posted by ed 2006-07-17 08:49|| 2006-07-17 08:49|| Front Page Top

#18 Something is really F'd in these numbers. Especially when there is a shortage of Americans in science, engineering, medicine and other technical (and productive) fields.

Not really. There is a shortage of H1B visa holders otherwise known as SLAVES/INDENTURED SER. There are no shortages of over 40 engineers, docs etc who have been forced out for H1B slaves or OUTSOURCING by traitorous multi-nationals like my old (spit) "batwings" company.

Posted by 3dc 2006-07-17 09:41|| 2006-07-17 09:41|| Front Page Top

#19 Maybe lawyer outsourcing is needed to destroy the profession.

Posted by ed 2006-07-17 09:44|| 2006-07-17 09:44|| Front Page Top

#20 "Lawyers are just below pond scum IMNSHO."

Hey, easy there, SockPuppet. I'm married to one, and he works his conservative ass off defending everyday "joes" against insurance companies that love ripping people off. Kind of works like this: Mr. so-and-so gets hit on the head at work (example) and the entire left side of body is paralyzed as a result. Mr. so-and-so is "covered" by insurance and has been paying premiums (in addition to employer premiums paid) to "insure" against just such a situation for the last 20 years. But ACME insurance company dinks around and doesn't pay this guy for medical or rehab, and to make matters worse, now Mr. so-and-so can't work because all he ever knew how to do was to drive a delivery truck. Of course, no one wants to hire Mr. so-and-so either at this point, cuz he drools, and like I said, the left side of his body is no longer functional. He could gain some practical improvement with physical therapy and be re-employable in some capacity, but, like I said, ACME insurance company is too busy fucking around with his benefits and 2 years go by. He loses his house and his car. His marriage fails. And instead of being a productive member of society, he's on public assistance. He's demoralized and has lost faith in the system and in himself--and all thanks to ACME insurance company and their profit-sucking, "screw the little guy" mentality.

Call lawyers scum if you want to and don't respect them, but I hope you get someone as noble and tenacious as my husband if you ever are injured in a work or automobile accident.

IMNSHO, the real scum are the multi-billion-dollar-a-year insurance companies who spend millions circulating false stories about trial lawyers "driving up insurance costs through nuisance cases."

As in any other profession, GOOD men make good lawyers, and BAD men make bad lawyers. (can substitute lawyers with teachers, engineers, journalists, doctors, restaurant owners, retailers, CEOs, etc.).

If you were hurt by a lawyer unfairly, then he or she WAS most likely an immoral jerk--but some of this is in the eye of the beholder: i.e., I'm quite certain that malpracticing doctors and dirtbag insurance companies and their scum lawyers aren't too fond of my husband.

ON TOPIC: Have to wonder how many of these Moslim lawyers will be involved in going after Islamic child molesting pedophile mullahs . . . oh, never mind. That's criminal law, and probably a confusing arena for Moslem lawyers. Sounds like being a lawyer is just another venue for pissing and moaning and playing the blame game. And, guess what--the money ain't that good. Like all other professions, except for the top 3 % most lawyers make median incomes. They'll find that out sooner rather than later. Ha! What is really irksome is that they Moslem lawyers seem only to be concerned about defending MOSLEMS regarding civil rights issues. They are certainly missing the bigger picture regarding the practice of law and the role of law in society. As usual, it's all about them.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-07-17 10:56|| 2006-07-17 10:56|| Front Page Top

#21 This is dangerous to the whole US legal system , just like ACLU, LaRazza, etc. These useless bastards are very effective at totally tying up the system with their myriad inane filings. If we just had judges with any shred of common sense , they would immediately dismiss these false claims and move on. Then the nonsense would stop.

Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-07-17 11:44|| 2006-07-17 11:44|| Front Page Top

#22
SPoD sits at home posting on Rantburg at all hours of the day and night, while jerkin' his Gerkin' whining about how he can't/won't/doesn't find/have a job.

He blames everyone but possibly himself. Hey SPoD, if there aren't any jobs where you're at, go to where the jobs are. And BTW, most Community Colleges have these things called classes that help make one more attractive to employers.

School, it's a good thing! Try it!

Posted by SoTrue 2006-07-17 11:49|| 2006-07-17 11:49|| Front Page Top

#23 Well said, ex-lib. (It's Mrs. Cingold if I recall correctly, yes? Our occasional expert on Malaysia?) SpoD, I understand your feelings because sadly you do have a solid basis in experience for them, but you were unnecessarily rude to some good people who are on the right side of the most important thing. Professor ExJAG, interesting juxtoposition of professions you chose -- clearly you enjoy endeavors that require lots of knowledge and very clear thinking. ;-) And based on your experience, it sounds to me like the Muslims in our midst are going to force us to force them to openly declare which side they're on, and respond accordingly -- leaving a few true apostates here and a lot of true believers sent back where their ancestors came from. Not before the next president is sworn in though, I suspect. (How? Lie detector tests would be a good start, I think. The latest CAT/PRT/MRI scan machines are amazing, and I believe we know which part of the brain is used for lying... and I don't see how anyone can claim torture for that.)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-07-17 12:09|| 2006-07-17 12:09|| Front Page Top

#24 So True, SPoD's taken classes -- in several different fields. But he lives in a small town, the kind where being in the right circles matters, and his wife loves her job, so leaving isn't really an option. SPoD is good people, he's just got this one issue.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-07-17 12:30|| 2006-07-17 12:30|| Front Page Top

#25 So..hey...

Anyone know any good Lawyer Jokes?

(Me, I contend that there are good and bad people in every area - Lawyers included. Some of these Attoneys will be good and some bad.)

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-07-17 12:37|| 2006-07-17 12:37|| Front Page Top

#26 cingold is the resident "expert" (although I don't think he'd say that) on Indonesia (grew up there). He knows a ton of great lawyer jokes, but he's taking some stupid insurance nonsense to the court of appeals (not that they listen--bunch of lazy, pro-insurance twerps, IMO) today and is unreachable. If he gets back in I'll tell him to post a couple.

Hope you can be imaginative in your situation SPOD and find something you like to do. Think outside the box and try to get in touch with something you REALLY groove with. If you do, I know you'll find a way to make it happen. A "plan B" and "plan C" really help too, in difficult circumstances.

Posted by ex-lib 2006-07-17 16:54|| 2006-07-17 16:54|| Front Page Top

#27 Your a real winner.

I have gone through everything up to plan H and now working on plan I.

We don't need more Lawyers, Muslims in particular. William Shakespeare was right. Sorry if you find that bother some.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-07-17 17:27|| 2006-07-17 17:27|| Front Page Top

#28 I've had both experiences: one lawyer we "hired" to help us deal with the state with our disabled son totally screwed us over - to the tune of about $7000 in "charges". I wrote to the head of the company, documented exactly what we had contracted to do, and totally refused to pay the bill. Still haven't after 15 years. At the same time, I had a Social Security lawyer that helped me get disability benefits with one hearing. Good and bad. I see a problem with Islamic lawyers trying to practice in the United States. We have ONE law for all of us. We will not play Sharia games, and any Judge that falls for that ruse will be on my target list in a nanosecond.

BTW, SPoD, the fastest growing job in the US is medical transcriptionist. It's even quite possible to work from home, over the Internet. My brother and sil make about $70K a year doing it. It might be hard in a small town, but if there's a larger town nearby, you can telecommute. My oldest daughter is taking classes for it now. Of course, you have to be a relatively speedy and accurate typist, and you have to learn the lingo.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-07-17 17:51|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-07-17 17:51|| Front Page Top

#29 NS, you teach chemistry?

Posted by Angising Flurt9300 2006-07-17 18:19|| 2006-07-17 18:19|| Front Page Top

#30 What the difference between a lawyer and a prostitute?
The prostitute quits after you're dead!

Sorry folks, just lightening the thread & exJAG why so defensive?

Posted by pihkalbadger 2006-07-17 21:12|| 2006-07-17 21:12|| Front Page Top

#31 No, just a reference to exJAG.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-17 21:16|| 2006-07-17 21:16|| Front Page Top

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