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2006-07-17 Afghanistan

Karzai Gives In To Calls For Moral Police

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Posted by Steve 2006-07-17 15:28|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Wow, meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2006-07-17 15:39|| 2006-07-17 15:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Gave in to "pressure"? What'd they do...say "please"?

Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-07-17 15:46|| 2006-07-17 15:46|| Front Page Top

#3 Get our troops out of there. It simply isn't worth dying for these people.

Posted by Kratos 2006-07-17 15:48|| 2006-07-17 15:48|| Front Page Top

#4 So disappointed with Karzai ...

Posted by john 2006-07-17 15:50|| 2006-07-17 15:50|| Front Page Top

#5 You can't escape the social formating. No way out. If I've understood correctly what I've read, islam is not a religion, it is a Law and an ideology used by conquerors, first the arabs, to justify/stabilize their conquests. The individual and the collectivity has to SUBMIT to this Law. Is this what's happening here?

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-17 15:51|| 2006-07-17 15:51|| Front Page Top

#6 Probably time to settle for lower expectations on afghanistan; just having a stable, pro-Us, independent, sane regime should do.
If the afghans wants 7th, let them live it, not worth the trouble socio-engineering their society to meet our criterias. We should acccept all cultures and civilizations aren't equal.
Btw, I do not have much hope for iraq too (still think it was a nice strategic move) when it comes to liberal democracy, I would like to be proven wrong, though.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-17 15:56|| 2006-07-17 15:56|| Front Page Top

#7 You're correct, A5089. But trying was a necessary step before proceeding to the next part of the WOI (War on Islamofascism). What will be fun is watching Iraq tank on Hillary's watch.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-17 16:01|| 2006-07-17 16:01|| Front Page Top

#8 #6 Probably time to settle for lower expectations on afghanistan; just having a stable, pro-Us, independent, sane regime should do.

And a bagel.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-07-17 16:02|| 2006-07-17 16:02|| Front Page Top

#9 By that I meant a regime at least neutral or friendly to "us", can stay in power all by itself or with reasonable propping up, and which doesn't slaughter its citizens. The way they wish to live : "no skin..." etc, etc.
And from there, preferably, containment of the muslim threat by keeping relationships with muslim countries to bare minimum of necessities, by shutting down mass immigration & cultural dhimmitude, and by treating them as what they are : historical ennemies we should remain very self-conscious about. "Trust, but verify". No more free pass.

Of course, won't happen. They've got one HUGE quality. Petro-dollars.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-17 16:14|| 2006-07-17 16:14|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm sorry, I can't explain myself well.
What I would like (sweet dreams) is containment; separation from the islamic world, relations kept at a minimum (business) with them on a quid pro quo only, while always being firm on principles and unaccomodating; turn their advantages into disadvantages, let them fight among themselves to see who will manage to sell us oil, let them stew in their demographical growth without having the opportunity to export their population surplus into the West, let them devise their own technology themselves instead of leeching from the developed world.
If it means civilizational apartheid, I'm all for it, as long as we're determined to stay on top.

Won't happen, and too late, of course.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-17 16:22|| 2006-07-17 16:22|| Front Page Top

#11 Sounds like a plan anon5089. And I don't think it won't happen nor is too late. However, the initiator for the West to do something as radical as that is going to be horrific.

As for the Afghans, well they seem to have made their bed, and I for one have no wish for any more of our soldiers to die for them. I do think we should annihilate the poppy fields before we go though.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-07-17 16:37|| 2006-07-17 16:37|| Front Page Top

#12 What will be fun is watching Iraq tank on Hillary's watch.

God help us all...

The Hildebeast won't be blamed though. The MSM and the DNC will spin things such that the entire blame will fall on Bushitler and the evil GOP.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2006-07-17 16:39|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2006-07-17 16:39|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm more or less convinced we won't find any actual charismatic revolutionary leaders in Arabia or Islam or tribal societies - and most certainly not in combination. All of these "institutions" are authoritarian, violent, and barbaric throwbacks which rigorously and viciously "select" against the individual, against peaceful coexistence, and against change.

Ahmed Shah Massoud might have been the exception...

I guess the survivor Karzai is as close as we've seen - probably because he's not an Arab. When I'm feeling generous, I discount his Islamic and tribal baggage and put it down to trying to bring others with these usually fatal impediments along, ever so slowly.

But he's still got 2 out of 3 fatal flaws working against him.

Afghanistan has the same problem as Iraq - it's an absurdity: yet another Yugoslavia. With Islam added for that special flavor of insanity.

Posted by flyover 2006-07-17 17:09|| 2006-07-17 17:09|| Front Page Top

#14 What could I have done? I'm a better person than George Bush so things just should have gone better. It's really all Karl Rove's fault, the vast right-wing conspiracy so ruined Iraq that there was just no way people of good conscience, like myself, could possibly have done anything.

Posted by HillaryClinton 2006-07-17 17:34|| 2006-07-17 17:34|| Front Page Top

#15 Afghanistan has never been anything but a remote, backward outpost of civilization. Its only value to us is to box in Iran. Same as Iraq. In passing thru, we gave them a chance to move up several centuries in civilization. They declined. To be expected really. Just apply Agent Orange to their poppies and retreat to the western bases near Iran. If any warlord comes close, smokem'. Irag cannot be held together as a normal country either, because it's merely a collection of tribes. Just like telling the Cheyenne and Apaches that they have to live together. Couldn't happen.

Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-07-17 19:37|| 2006-07-17 19:37|| Front Page Top

#16 In the end, Afghanistan is not important. Focus our efforts on the big islamic threats: 1. Iran, 2. Saudi 3. Mohammedans in the west 4. Nuclear states.

And if the west wants to keeps hostilities at a level less than total war, then ALL muslim territories must be completely quaranteened. That means no trade, immigration, relations. Convert our transportation to only use the oil we produce. It will take 10 years, but is doable and much cheaper than the course we are following. Conversion or return of the ummah. Force the muslim to canibalize each other, not feed on the west. Any atrocity against us met with overwhelming force, destruction of oil and economic infrastucture, and seizure of large amounts of territory. Wild and crazy in Ibiza is finished. It's Martel the Hammer time.

Posted by ed 2006-07-17 21:10|| 2006-07-17 21:10|| Front Page Top

#17 Its not Taliban, but it looks like Taliban-lite as someone said. The Afghans appear to forget that there were nearby states that would have allowed American planes to carpet bomb Pastho-Afghanistan after 9-11, in preparation for a bloody Northern Alliance takeover. That can still happen. US alliances are not written in stone. Oh yeah, Karzai is a Pashto.

Posted by Anginens Threreng8133 2006-07-17 21:25|| 2006-07-17 21:25|| Front Page Top

#18 Anon 5089:

You mention "containment." The Western allies were forced to adopt that policy when the Soviets nuclearized. "Containment" is only a default option where liberation poses high costs.

My generation rolled back Communism. This generation should roll over Islamofascism while it is possible. One of my neighbors doesn't lose sleep over the fact that he napalmed VC concentrations in Vietnam. Snipers and smart bombs can't win wars.

Why are you 18-30 year olds afraid to kill in large numbers?

Posted by Anginens Threreng8133 2006-07-17 21:33|| 2006-07-17 21:33|| Front Page Top

#19 "Snipers and smart bombs can't win wars"

With the correct intelligence, enough of them can.

We Know who you are, who you walk your dog with, your mistress quite frankly it's best not to talk about and that decision you made last week about that import deal was quite frankly illegal.

Do we need to kill you? No, not yet, cos we know.

"Why are you 18-30 year olds afraid to kill in large numbers?"

Slaughter, for the sake of it has never been the western way of waging war, we'll quite happily nuke your grandmother and your city and condemn your future generations to mutatic soup if neccessary, but please don't condemn us for showing restraint in a situation that is not yet total war.

Posted by pihkalbadger 2006-07-17 21:58|| 2006-07-17 21:58|| Front Page Top

#20 Once again the lunacy of Americans spilling their blood for muzzies is demonstrated.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-07-17 22:01|| 2006-07-17 22:01|| Front Page Top

#21 pihkalbadger, you're a fewkin moron. You don't know my mistress, I don't want to know what you did to my dog, and you wouldn't know total war if it came in and bit you on the ass. You should get off your high horse, STFU, or screw you and sheep that's currently dragging you by its fanny.

Posted by FBH 2006-07-17 23:26|| 2006-07-17 23:26|| Front Page Top

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