Article

2005-07-11 Britain

A defiant Islam rises among young Britons

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Paul Moloney 2005-07-11 03:24|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "We don't need to fight. We are taking over!" he said. "We are here to bring civilization to the West. England does not belong to the English people, it belongs to God."

I think the gloves need to come off.

Posted by Dave D. 2005-07-11 06:40|| 2005-07-11 06:40|| Front Page Top

#2 Does it ever seem like we are living in a moon god version of 'A Clockwork Orange'?

Posted by glenmore">glenmore 2005-07-11 07:33|| 2005-07-11 07:33|| Front Page Top

#3 Last month, Muslim groups in Glasgow petitioned the City Council to ban an Italian restaurant from serving alcohol to diners seated at outside tables.

There's a simple message for those Muslim groups: "FOAD. If you don't like our customs, go back to the third-world shitholes you crawled out from."

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 07:40|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 07:40|| Front Page Top

#4 There are 50 odd million Aboriginal English.

We conquered half the worlds land mass.

Don't think we can't get i-slam to go the way of the neanderthal worldwide.

Don't push us, our only restraint is that we will feel a bit guilty AFTER.

Posted by Ulereger Clavigum6227 2005-07-11 07:41|| 2005-07-11 07:41|| Front Page Top

#5 2 million, huh? Drop in the bucket - start the expulsions

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-11 08:09|| 2005-07-11 08:09|| Front Page Top

#6 "Defiant"?

Pray tell, when will the assholes of the MSM stop romanticizing murderers and barbaric cretins?

As for the Muzzies, better get over yourselves. I've got a feeling about this... You live in a fantasy - as your "chat room" banter shows. The cousins won't bare their bellies to you over this pathetic show - and that is all it was, media coverage and PC protests notwithstanding. More people were killed in a single mortar attack on a market in Sarajevo. All you've managed, Young Wimps of London, is to cause a tough and spirited people to begin sobering up. You think you're playing some sort of Islamic Dungeons and Dragons? The cousins have been drunk on permissiveness and PC, but your cruelty will awaken them to their folly. They will shake off the lethargy that inflicts people who've forgotten what it means to be hungry. They will realize their immigration policies have been foolish, close the door, and begin throwing you asswipes out - those will be the lucky ones. Go ahead - try hitting them again, as you know you must - you know nothing else but cowardly murder and destruction... see what happens. Same goes for the US. We will both repay you in kind 100-fold for your arrogance and brutality. My cousins made a wrong turn awhile back, but they'll figure it out and correct their course - by rolling right over you. We've been headed the same way, but most of us get it, now. Soon the same will be true of our cousins. You fucked up here in the US and now you're repeating the mistake in the UK. We will both throw off the blinders of PC and that thin decorative candy shell we call civilization regards you lot.

Something very nasty this way comes, Young Wimps of London.

Posted by .com 2005-07-11 08:11|| 2005-07-11 08:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Pray tell, when will the assholes of the MSM stop romanticizing murderers and barbaric cretins?

Never. It's in their blood, it's their highest aspiration. Why, you do enough boot-licking and you'll get a Pulitzer.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 08:20|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 08:20|| Front Page Top

#8 .com -- your estimation of the odds that civilization will fight back are, I'm afraid, much rosier than mine.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 08:21|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 08:21|| Front Page Top

#9 I agree. There are moments in time when you can feel the wind shift. It has shifted and you can feel it.

Posted by 2b 2005-07-11 08:50|| 2005-07-11 08:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Does it ever seem like we are living in a moon god version of 'A Clockwork Orange'?
Every time I turn on the MSM....

I don't doubt the West will fight back. We aren't as demoralized as the western Roman empire was as the barbarians overran it. (If the extreamists had waited 15-20 years so more self hating liberal crap had taken over more of our culture, might be a different story)
However, while I do believe that we have the will, the demon of the left still holds sway in our national (both ours and england) thinking. It will take more blood to fully purg it from our collective minds and finally push it to the nutty extreamists where it belongs. A slow series of attacks, malls blowing up, school killings, subway bombs will eventually bring the west to its full anger. A large attack, especially a WMD attack will also fully rouse our anger. And when the majority of people are finally mad enough to say, "Fuck them. I don't care what it takes, just get rid of these assholes!", we will finally see the military might of the west overrun the wastes of the middle east. We might even see Mecca raised.
This war is far from over, and more and more people are starting to realize it and see that the liberal side is the side of appeasement and cowardness. And the libs are in a panic about it.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-07-11 08:54|| 2005-07-11 08:54|| Front Page Top

#11 All trends continue until they encounter one or more limiting factors. Its fairly clear what the limiting factor is here - tolerance of 'diversity'. It remains to be seen how far the trend goes before the limiting factor stops it.

Posted by phil_b 2005-07-11 08:55|| 2005-07-11 08:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Ignorant nutter scum. Deport them so they can give life in Egypt, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Algeria, Morrocco, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Yemen, or Sudan a try to see if it suits them.

Posted by Tkat 2005-07-11 09:12|| 2005-07-11 09:12|| Front Page Top

#13 I don't doubt the West will fight back.

London papers are back to talking about "militants" and people are shocked -- and angered! -- when terrorists are called "arseholes" and "sub-human filth". We continue to believe in the mythical moderate, just as those moderates keep funding jihad and cheerfully listening to jihad-uber-alles imams.

And, of course, the first major movie about 9/11 is going to be made by Oliver "I Hate America" Stone.

As a society, we have no interest in fighting. We won't even admit to ourselves what we're fighting.

Why should we think that yet another atrocity will wake the world up? There were 3,000 dead on 9/11. Another 180 in Bali. Another 190 in Madrid. Another 344 in Beslan. Thousands in Iraq. Over 500 in Israel. More beheadings every week in Thailand...

If none of this is enough to wake people up, even more corpses aren't going to do it.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 09:13|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 09:13|| Front Page Top

#14 Respect, a left-wing party founded by former Labour MP George Galloway, ... aims to unite Muslims and socialists around opposition to American foreign policy and globalization.

Suddenly I have visions of Western Europe erupting into civil war and descending into anarchy. Am I the only one who believes that the formal collaboration of lefty lunacy and Islamofascist ideology in the pursuit of political power just might, if it gains any traction at all, be hook that finally sinks this problem so far into the flesh of Europe that there will be no peaceful way back?

Posted by AzCat 2005-07-11 09:19|| 2005-07-11 09:19|| Front Page Top

#15 Our leaders need to drop the pretense of "multiculti" and start talking the truth. This is a clash of the past with the present, a blood feud of death cult of the moon god against all other philosophies and cultures. It either quits it's insanity or it will be wiped out. I personally have reached the tipping point. It will not quit so it must be wiped out. My problem is I am no good at explaining the evil of this cult to others. I just hope the tipping point is reached to western civilization before many more are killed and maimed.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-11 09:30|| 2005-07-11 09:30|| Front Page Top

#16 Tough one, AZC. If RC is right, and I don't yet think so - when it gets personal, shit happens - then it's too late. If there is enough of a population left who aren't Moonbats, toolfools, or dhimmis-in-waiting then I think you're right. Hell, I expect it to happen here in the US. I won't be around to see it, but I have little doubt we will have a something akin to a civil war here. When? I dunno, but it won't happen (without accelerants) for another 5-10 years. You guys can identify the accelerants, lol!

Posted by .com 2005-07-11 09:32|| 2005-07-11 09:32|| Front Page Top

#17 Your comment on diversity got me thinking. It's not diversity - per say - that is the problem, it is the refusal to expose our enemies - our willingness to allow them to hide in plain sight.

To win this war, there is one thing that we as a society need to be able to do - which as yet - we can't seem to fathom. We need to have the help of our security services in defining WHO the enemy is. In the old days, it was easy. They talked differently, they looked different, they wore uniforms of another color. Not anymore.

But today we walk down the street and we don't know who the enemy is. I went to see the fourth of july fireworks and a muslim family was there. Just mom, pop and the kids. Are they the enemy? I doubt it, but who knows? And it is not just Muslim fanatics who are our enemy. It is Robert Fisk, BBC reporters, and that man at the dinner party who thinks this is a parlor game of one-upsmanship to see who can best convolute logic to explain away terror and evil. So much fun.

We have to somehow confront the enemy and those who aid and abet him. But we don't know who he is. I made an analgoy in another post about how the British Redcoats could not adapt to the rebels in the bushes. And in many ways, this is the same. These people are right here, but where are they? We can't see them and if we can see them, we can do little to fight them. Something has to change. We can't just keep marching in line and allow them to hide among us. Unless our security services, tasked with determining who is a true enemy - ie: someone receiving funds and cooperating with terrorist states or groups vs who is just a stupid fool spouting stupid words, we can't fight the war. Our security services need to stop hiding all of that information from us for their own greedy purposes so they can make pretty little flow charts of who-is-who in the terrorist world and start sharing that information. But they just sit on it. It's outrageous.

Long ago, I used to follow crime stories. And the other day I linked to the Missing Children site and was surprised to see how few children were on the list. It used to be pages of them. And then I noticed that the Amber Alert had recovered a large number of children. The police departments fought that tooth and nail because they were afraid that if they gave out information, it would interfere with their ability to work the case. How many children died horrible, terrible deaths because of that foolish policy?

This mentality of greedily hoarding information from the public has got to change.

Posted by 2b 2005-07-11 09:37|| 2005-07-11 09:37|| Front Page Top

#18 re; the PC diversity game. I see the problem as the inability to call it as you see it. If I wanted to go on local TV and call Islam the religion of hate, citing suras, practices such as stoning or honor killings, etc., I would be called a hatemonger and liar. Given another attack on US soil, I could do the same, and would be called a visionary as the PC burka gets shredded. People (not the MSM or Hollywood) have minds, and I think they're changing - waking up. Wanna bet the Oliver Stone movie sucks at the box office even more than Alexander?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-07-11 09:48|| 2005-07-11 09:48|| Front Page Top

#19 Given another attack on US soil, I could do the same, and would be called a visionary as the PC burka gets shredded.

Yet another instance of the "more bodies will wake people up" idea.

Sorry, I still don't buy it.

Wanna bet the Oliver Stone movie sucks at the box office even more than Alexander?

Hollywood's banking on the foreign receipts. It'll be a blockbuster in Pakistan. They'll particularly love the scene where the brave jihadi slits the throat of a stewardess with her hands tied behind her back.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 09:55|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 09:55|| Front Page Top

#20 Frank - you make a very good point. But I still think that if they exposed to the public which mosques had connections to terrorists - which mosques were preaching firey sermons of hate - it would be easier for good people to speak up without fear of being shouted down.

But I have to conceed your point because the British knew about the Finsbury Mosque and yet it was allowed to stay open for the very reason you state.

Posted by 2b 2005-07-11 09:58|| 2005-07-11 09:58|| Front Page Top

#21 Robert,
I don't think it is the body count that will do it. It is the frequency of attacks. One attack every 4 years isn't gonna piss people off enough. One attack every 4 months, different story. People have short memories, unfortunately. Wealth and lazyness breed forgetfullness and contempt for self in the liberals....

Posted by mmurray821 2005-07-11 10:05|| 2005-07-11 10:05|| Front Page Top

#22 Yet another instance of the "more bodies will wake people up" idea.

Sorry, I still don't buy it.

There has to be enough bodies, and apparently 3,000 in one sitting isn't enough.

In the event that another attack occurs on U.S. soil, and the body count is indeed much, much higher, there's going to be hell to pay, and it's not going to be confined to other countries. Home-grown terrorist apologists will become an endangered species overnight.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-07-11 10:10|| 2005-07-11 10:10|| Front Page Top

#23 In the event that another attack occurs on U.S. soil, and the body count is indeed much, much higher, there's going to be hell to pay

I think that's completely wrong. I think the US government will reach levels of dhimmitude never before seen outside the State Department.

I hope we never find out which of us is right.

Remember, there were more deaths on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor -- and on 9/11 every one of them was a civilian. Now, just 4 years later, half the country spits on you if you mention 9/11.

I hope I'm wrong. I just don't see any more people aware of the threat -- and convinced we have to do something about it -- than I did in the months after 9/11. I think there are less now, thanks to the treasonous press and Democrats.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 10:31|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 10:31|| Front Page Top

#24 I don't know why people are confused about what to do! if you read Laurence R. Iannaccone you will find that jihadists don't spring from the soil, like mushrooms after a rainfall. They are "demand' driven. You need only look at three areas to determine who are driving the demand, family/tribe, mosque, or group. What need to be then done, is to exterminate whichever group is responsible. If the tribe radicalizes the jihadist, simply eradicate the tribe. If it is the mosque, simple eradicate the whole congration and if the group.. ditto. I know most people might find this solution heavy-handed, but as a descendant of the Vikings who delighted in taking the longboat out for a weekend of murder rape and pillage, I find that ice cold revenge stirs my stirs primordial juices.

Posted by tipper 2005-07-11 10:42|| 2005-07-11 10:42|| Front Page Top

#25 Only in Kuwait:

'From the Al-Siyasah newspaper (received June 6):

"The Imam of al-Jabiriyah preached against the Americans and the Worshippers shouted 'O' Allah, make America stronger!"

"The Al-Siyasah newspaper has received news that several mosques in Kuwait have begun to exhibit a new phenomenon manifested in the rejection by worshippers of extremist prayers expressed by some of the Imams during their Khutbah [friday prayer]. These prayers included invitations to fight the Americans and to become more hostile towards them. An example of this [phenomenon] was when Nabil al-Awadi, who is an Imam at one of the mosques in the southern region of Al-Surrah, began preaching against the Americans in his last Friday Khutbah. As a result, the people at prayer cut off his speech and demanded that he stop talking. Additionally, the worshippers at the mosque of Aisha Shabib in the Al-Jabiriyah neighborhood shouted, 'O' Allah, make Islam and America stronger' in response to what the Imam of that mosque had said during friday prayer about America and the current war [in Iraq]."'

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-11 11:23|| 2005-07-11 11:23|| Front Page Top

#26 It'll be a blockbuster in Pakistan. They'll particularly love the scene where the brave jihadi slits the throat of a stewardess with her hands tied behind her back.

RC - With Oliver Stone that jihadi is going to a Haliburton-Mossad Young Republican.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats 2005-07-11 11:24|| http://www.punictreachery.com/]">[http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2005-07-11 11:24|| Front Page Top

#27 I personally have reached the tipping point. It will not quit so it must be wiped out. My problem is I am no good at explaining the evil of this cult to others. I just hope the tipping point is reached to western civilization before many more are killed and maimed.

SPoD - Right there with you. It seems like I've read so much that it has become too much to explain to others when the chance comes up. I always end up frustrated because feels like the key piece or two of information that will just nail the point home eludes me. After a conversation I always end up thinking up exactly the example I needed to make my point.

What's really frustrating to me is that I spend all day writing for work (technical training material), and even on the rare occasions I'm moved to post a message or update my lonely little website, I'm burned out on the physical requirements of just typing.

Rantburg sometimes is very frustrating because I see people making points and comments that make me go "Yes, I need to remember that one," and of course I never remember in time when the chance comes up to make somebody else notice the threat we are facing.

Something I have found myself doing, though, is immediately turning to this site when something happens. Not only for the CROSSFIRE GAZETTE, but because so many people have good insights on events, and most important (to me at least), people here remember previous events and tie them into current ones very quickly. When the London bombings happened I happened to be awake (wretched dog wanted out) and the first thought I had when I saw the news on tv was to check out Rantburg. With all the crazy stories on TV those first hours I figured this place would have a fast track on what was really up, and it quickly did.

Hmm, I appear to be rambling now so maybe I better go to lunch. :)

Posted by Laurence of the Rats">Laurence of the Rats 2005-07-11 11:41|| http://www.punictreachery.com/]">[http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2005-07-11 11:41|| Front Page Top

#28 Last month, Muslim groups in Glasgow petitioned the City Council to ban an Italian restaurant from serving alcohol to diners seated at outside tables. Hospitals in Leicester considered banning Bibles from hospital wards to avoid offending Muslim patients. In Birmingham, a group called Muslims Against Advertising began a campaign of painting over billboards that they deemed offensive to Islam - targeting ads for Levi's jeans, perfume, and lingerie.

Therein lies the difference. Even the most intolerant westerners in western societies pale by comparison. For the most part, the west has learned to accomodate differing religions, politics, worldviews. We don't scream for the removal of that which offends us (except if it has health implications). We are free to choose. Is there something so horribly wrong with simply offering a choice of koran or bible? Does the bible have to be removed? How tyrranical, how intolerant is that!?

To all muslims:
How is my drinking in public offending your religious sensibilities? What about my eating pork? Or anything that's not Halal? Should all nonmuslim women be required to cover up, too, to make sure you're not offended? Radical Islamicism aside, even this "moderate muslim" demand is a slippery slope. Stop it now.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2005-07-11 12:18|| 2005-07-11 12:18|| Front Page Top

#29 LH -- So what? A few examples IN ONE COUNTRY are nice, but what about mosques in the US?

Like Amir Taheri(sp?) said, you go into ANY MOSQUE in the West and you'll hear the pro-jihad, anti-west raving. Yet the muslims in the West only speak out when a kaffir catches wind of what their imam is saying.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 12:31|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 12:31|| Front Page Top

#30 Expecting "moderate Muslims" to rise up and rescue Islam from the grip of the hateful fanatics that have taken it over is as much a fool's dream as expecting "moderate Democrats" to rise up and rescue the Democratic Party from its own hateful fanatics like Kos and Michael Moore.

Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by Dave D. 2005-07-11 12:49|| 2005-07-11 12:49|| Front Page Top

#31 "To all muslims:
How is my drinking in public offending your religious sensibilities? "

Si, I ask that one myself. why da cops gotta hassle me and my amigos all the time?

Posted by Jose, having a cerveza on the corner 2005-07-11 13:55|| 2005-07-11 13:55|| Front Page Top

#32 "So what? A few examples IN ONE COUNTRY are nice, but what about mosques in the US?"

A journey of a thousand miles .....

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-11 13:57|| 2005-07-11 13:57|| Front Page Top

#33 A journey of a thousand miles .....

So speaks part of the problem.

You'll notice, LH, that the muslims speaking out about the anti-American speech in their mosques are in KUWAIT. Not in the US.

See a problem there?

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 14:41|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 14:41|| Front Page Top

#34 A journey of a thousand miles .....

Some of the blogs and small time arabs are saying the same thing. Is it the few snowflakes before the blizzard, or just a freak summer storm that melts away almost instantly? It is up to the arabs themselves. They choose between joining the rest of the world and the 21st century, or falling behind and rotting in urban decay.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-07-11 14:45|| 2005-07-11 14:45|| Front Page Top

#35 Yep, it's about their refusal to accept the broader society... violently. I rarely drink alcohol (having the physical tolerance of a small guppy doesn't encourage such behaviour), I simply order a club soda and socialize with people (including Mr. Wife) who do. I just get to be the designated driver all the time. ;-) On the other hand, I've never been invited to an orgy, which shows commendable discretion on the part of all concerned.

Not partaking in some of the pleasures of the broader society is not the same as being rejected by the same society. These people are brown up to their eyeballs.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-07-11 14:46|| 2005-07-11 14:46|| Front Page Top

#36 #33 Robert - just last week (7/06),even Amnesty International decried the kidnapping of the Egyptian Ambassador, (but not Matt Maupin, and I don't disagree) - see http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=123309&D=2005-07-06&HC=2. Not much, but I thought it was a start.

Trying for a little perspective here, my complaints about the Moslem "Ethnic Cleansing" in 1995 were confined to a handful of people I knew. I never called a press conference, but found it abhorrent, ghastly, inexcusable, and regularly prayed somone would do something. Slick Willie finally did something. The "outcry" is not what *I* made of it then, or what some Mulims say today, but what our friends at the MSM chose to make of it. Do you think LAT is out there looking for Muslims who complain about terror? If they found one, would he allow his name to be printed, so he could get wacked by the next Jihadi up the street?

I don't expect much outcry here in the US, but hope that is not a good measure of the nausea many intelligent people must feel.... Even now, our "outcry" at Rantburg tends to be along the lines "this will never work" with the occasional "how dare they?"

Color me hopeful about humanity.

Posted by Bobby 2005-07-11 15:05|| 2005-07-11 15:05|| Front Page Top

#37 Bobby, the mythical moderate muslim should be MOST free to speak out here in the US. If they cannot attach their names to it, they can certainly do it anonymously.

OK, so the press isn't pushing the "Muslims against terror" angle -- mainly because it counters their "Islam is peace" BS -- but the MSM isn't the only game in town. All the mythical moderate muslim has to do is take an inventory of the materials distributed in his local mosque, or tape the Friday prayers, then pass it along to a blogger willing to get the word out.

Do we see that happening?

Nope.

I can think of two cases where the rantings and ravings of imams have been exposed and they've been removed. In Cleveland and in Lodi -- and in both cases it was outsiders -- kaffirs -- who brought the ranting and raving to the public's attention.

Similarly, we only know about the pro-jihadi literature passed out in many "moderate" mosques because (AFAICR) a group of anti-Saudi activists publicized the material and some of the places it was distributed. It wasn't the local community. It wasn't the muslim-in-the-street.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-07-11 15:46|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-07-11 15:46|| Front Page Top

#38 I like that - mythical moderate muslim(s). Can we use mmm as a standard abbreviation? Not capitalized, like MSM or LLL, but lower-case letters....

Posted by Bobby 2005-07-11 16:12|| 2005-07-11 16:12|| Front Page Top

#39 www.prophetofdoom.net buy this book for all the doubting friends, they will then see that its not about Iraq or Palistine at all. It is driven by a quest for peoples souls. This is good and evil lord of the rings shit..

Posted by nockeyes nilberto 2005-07-11 16:16|| 2005-07-11 16:16|| Front Page Top

#40 "All the mythical moderate muslim has to do is take an inventory of the materials distributed in his local mosque, or tape the Friday prayers, then pass it along to a blogger willing to get the word out."

and all you need to do to show that your minister isnt a ranting racist calling for the deaths of muslims, is tape his sunday sermon, and post in on jihad unspun, or daily kos, or whatever? See, people who KNOW they are moderates dont feel a burden of proof.

And theyd just be disbelieved anyway. Just the other day, a commentator here said words to the effect "Why dont more moderate muslims condemn terror? and when they do, why dont they mean it?" If your words of condemnation are going to be dismissed as self serving, why bother.

Ive long since given up trying convince Juan Cole and his ilk that Im a moderate Sharon supporter:)

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-11 16:21|| 2005-07-11 16:21|| Front Page Top

#41 "You'll notice, LH, that the muslims speaking out about the anti-American speech in their mosques are in KUWAIT. Not in the US.

See a problem there?"

Er, I suspect the antiamerican sermons are more the staple over there than here. Also here the hatefilled sermons are likely to be at smaller mosques that get a self-selected membership. There its gonna be the big official mosques, so its much more likely that a hateful preacher will have a proAmerican congregation.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-07-11 16:24|| 2005-07-11 16:24|| Front Page Top

#42 Whoa on the big official moskkks thingy. In Saudi, almost anyone who wants to can crank up a moskkk. If people come, he gets to be an imam. The rules are very very loose. There are many anecdotal bits about loonies who went out and bought the amplifier and speakers and just went to work from some shed or hut. Eventually they were "given" a venue. Perhaps to control them. But, in any case, it's like wildcatting, lol! The small fry can play just like the big boys. BTW, the joke about the Kuwaitis is that they try to out-Saudi the Saudis - in other words, they're pluperfect loonies in many ways.

Posted by .com 2005-07-11 16:35|| 2005-07-11 16:35|| Front Page Top

#43 The European people proved in the early part of the last century that they are very good at killing people. Far, far better than the wildest fantasies of the Jihadists. Sooner or later they will be pushed to far and things will get ugly.

The longer the Muslims wait to stand up to the Jihadists amung them the more likely the Europeans will eventually go berserk. Remember that even the peace loving socialists that infect much of Europe were quick to excuse mass murder at times.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2005-07-11 18:31|| 2005-07-11 18:31|| Front Page Top

#44 Radiation sometimes works on Cancer. I'll bet a high enough dose would work on Islam. Worth a try. Calling all muslums back to Meca.

Posted by FeralCat 2005-07-11 20:26|| 2005-07-11 20:26|| Front Page Top

#45 3000 dead Americans, on American soil, made about 45% of Americans willing to bend over and take it like a Sally.

Or maybe they were going to make me "take it," because I'm a Republican and "deserved" it, or something. The context escapes me at the moment.

Seat of the pants guess---whaddya think it'll take? Another 3000 dead, per percentage point?

Honestly, I think we'll be fighting the Left in the streets before we fight Islam.

Posted by Asedwich">Asedwich 2005-07-11 21:29|| 2005-07-11 21:29|| Front Page Top

#46 "many anecdotal bits about loonies who went out and bought the amplifier and speakers and just went to work from some shed or hut"

-that's f*cking hillarious. I had no idea. Kind of like their own version of an islamo-nut garage band. Too funny.

Posted by Jarhead 2005-07-11 22:22|| 2005-07-11 22:22|| Front Page Top

#47 whaddya think it'll take?

If some of them lose their jobs because of a large scale islamo-jihadi terror attack, it might get them to think.
"Dude, where's my job?"
"Blown up by the jihadis you've been apologizing for."
"Oh."

Posted by R 2005-07-11 23:28|| 2005-07-11 23:28|| Front Page Top

00:04 CrazyFool
00:00 Frank G
23:30 CrazyFool
23:28 R
23:26 gromgoru
23:24 Cyber Sarge
23:24 Cyber Sarge
23:22 muck4doo
23:22 gromgoru
23:15 Bomb-a-rama
23:07 Sock Puppet 0â Doom
22:59 Sock Puppet 0â Doom
22:50 eLarson
22:48 Zhang Fei
22:33 Jarhead
22:26 Pappy
22:22 Jarhead
22:12 Laurence of the Rats
22:03 Bomb-a-rama
21:58 Unavinter Sloluque7110
21:58 Bomb-a-rama
21:44 Unavinter Sloluque7110
21:42 Bobby
21:41 muck4doo