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2003-07-11 Iraq

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Posted by 2003-07-11 12:03:02 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Alrighty, Mike, take your meds now. Then you can sleep...

Posted by JDB 2003-7-11 12:18:32 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:18:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Must be.. yup.. past noon in Tokyo.

Posted by Rafael 2003-7-11 12:23:32 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:23:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 He, he, he....
You right wing losers are, well, losers.

Bye bye Bush!

Posted by Anonymous 2003-7-11 12:32:50 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:32:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 So Mike, what's your plan? OK, let me play along with you for a while. We went into Iraq and fucked up bad. What do we do now? How do we make things right for the Iraqi people? How do we deal with the mullahs? The Baathists? Do we just leave right now? What about Bush? Do we impeach him? What about Cheney? Rumsfeld? Give me some positive recommendations.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-7-11 12:45:01 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:45:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Hmm looks like an anonymous person is spamming Rantburg..lovely ain't it folks? Just remember this is what the really far left looks like and its all about the ooooiiiiiilll ;)

Posted by Valentine 2003-7-11 12:47:06 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:47:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "Give me some positive recommendations"
He would like to, but he just physically can't.
"He, he, he.... You right wing losers are, well, losers."
Is this Mike, or his wife? Hard to tell.

Posted by Rafael 2003-7-11 12:53:05 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:53:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Rafael: I suspect both.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-7-11 12:55:32 AM|| 2003-7-11 12:55:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 So Mike, what's your plan?
(Better get our asses back to the UN, say sorry and get some help.)
OK, let me play along with you for a while. We went into Iraq and fucked up bad. What do we do now?
(Well. Good no longer in denial, eh? What do we do now? See above. I am not a politician. I am an anti-war activist. I do not appreciate Americans getting killed for some twisted government policy. Let's face it; Neither you nor I really give a rats ass about the Iraqi people. I would never give one of my sons so that people on the other side of the world could be free. If you could, then you are quite an unusual person.)

How do we make things right for the Iraqi people?
(Certainly not by bombing, shooting them. Raiding their homes in the middle of the night. They probably thought that shit was going away with Saddam. But no, we turn around and do the same goddamned thing. What do we do? I guess go back to my first answer. Regardless, it doesn't matter what you or I say or think. And this homesite, spread half-truths and lies is part of the problem. As far as you are concerned, get informed.)

How do we deal with the mullahs? The Baathists?
(If the Iraqi people want a despotic bunch of people ruling them, why should you or I care? If they have elections, like we promised them -then broke the promise and they vote in a bunch of religious fruitcakes. I don't care. It's called freedom of choice.)

Do we just leave right now?
(Our young people are dying. For what? For Bush's machismo? For the illinformed American public's entertainment. Fuck that. And Fuck Saddam. Fuck Bush. Fuck Bin laden. They are all extremists. The best thing would be to have all their asses at the Hague tried for war crimes.)

What about Bush? Do we impeach him?
(Yes. We have no choice.)
What about Cheney? Rumsfeld? Give me some positive recommendations.

(Hey, I'm sorry. Really. It hurts me greatly to see what's going on. I'm sorry to hurt your feelings. I don't mean to....

What should we do? I guess we all have to start telling the truth. Just like it says in the bible (or whatever religion you choose.) Then we must demand that our elected officials do the same.

Damn! If we Americans didn't go and allow our government to get us into a mess again that we will be damned if we do, damned if we don't.

I don't blame you. This is just as much my fault as it is yours. Take care.

Actually, I liked Bush more than Gore. This is so depressing.)

Posted by Anonymous 2003-7-11 1:03:50 AM|| 2003-7-11 1:03:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Hmm looks like an anonymous person is spamming Rantburg.

Not much of a problem. If the person is stupid enough to be using a personal account to do this, then uncovering the identity of the person is only a matter of time. If this is coming through a compromised machine/network, that can be taken care of promptly. Computer systems compile many logs, so very few actions go undocumented.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-7-11 1:17:47 AM|| 2003-7-11 1:17:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Why do you have to be such a troll? 6 articles in a row? No editing or highlighted comments? Only now are you finally getting down to real discussion and opinion here, but only because 11A5S prompted you.

I don't agree with your complete isolationism one bit. The problems of the Middle East are our problems too for many reasons (please do not start in with the oil issue). No Rantburger believes in sending soldiers to die just to save the Iraqis.

The whole region is a threat to the U.S. and we just eliminated our most powerful and outspoken declared enemy. Things are changing fast and the whole regional dyanamics are shifting. You shouldn't get hysterical yet because we'll have to wait and see if we get the desired outcome - democratic Iraq and Iran and general reform throughout the region (or at least halfway there); or the nightmare scenario, fundamentalist Pakistan (and Iraq).

Contemplate these scenarios and then come back with serious opinions. Isolationism is not an option and the U.N. is corrupt and ineffectual.

Posted by Tokyo Taro 2003-7-11 1:44:16 AM|| 2003-7-11 1:44:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Anonymous: My personal belief is that as long as there are violent men in the world, they must be confronted by violence. The Hague is a good start, but how do you get any of the folks you mentioned (including Bush) before it without force? Read some of the postings here. There are an awful lot of people in the world dedicated to destroying not just America, but Western civilization. All of it. I don't know how to respond to that without violence. I wish I did, but I don't.

I don't think that any of the commentators I know and like here are totally convinced that Iraq was the best course of action. But sometimes, you have to kick the door in and find out what's on the other side. Iraq was probably the best place to start, if you truly believe the threat to civilization is as grave as I do.

You might say, where's the threat? What did Iraq do to us? Nothing overt, but it is the only place where we can get face to face with the Islamists that have vowed to destroy us. This is my belief, based on my own search.

I don't think that there is a meeting point between our beliefs. It's good that you care so passionately about your own. Good night and good luck.

P.S. A lot of us here are veterans of our nation's misadventures. I can't speak for all of them, but I mourn every casualty.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-7-11 1:50:52 AM|| 2003-7-11 1:50:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Fuck that. And Fuck Saddam. Fuck Bush. Fuck Bin laden. They are all extremists.

Of course. You're right. You always are. Have a nice day.

Posted by PD 2003-7-11 4:39:38 AM|| 2003-7-11 4:39:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Poor devil, he's just lost. As it says on the sign at the city limits, this is Rantburg, the friendly home of civil, well-reasoned discourse. (Our Rotary Club, Chamber of Commerce, and Convention & Visitors Bureau welcome you! No unlicensed door-to-door solicitors. Truckers, please do not use your compression brakes within city limits.)

Ratburg, where all the rats who don't tell the truth live, is a couple counties over. Go back out to the Interstate and turn left . . .

Posted by Mike 2003-7-11 7:06:52 AM|| 2003-7-11 7:06:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 I log on here to read the truth (aka what the right is saying), not what Mike and his communist friends want us to believe. Trolls have sufficient other means to spew their lies and hatefulness.

Chuck this loser, s'il vous plait.

Posted by badanov 2003-7-11 7:20:43 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/weblog] 2003-7-11 7:20:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Michael, if you are indeed in Tokyo, then I would think you would have learned a little r-e-s-p-e-c-t. Try it. And remember Michael its not personal.

Posted by Domingo 2003-7-11 8:51:22 AM|| 2003-7-11 8:51:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 BJ Clinton promised we'd be in Bosnia for only one, count it, one year. The lefties haven't had stroke over that LIE. But, then again, it's all about POWER. They lost it and anything or any act is justified to get it back. Those of us who are historically aware know we've have troop committments in Europe since the end of the second world war even though the western europeans have had a greater combined population and GNP than the US for decades. Where were the whiners for all those decades when we could have cut back the military and redirected considerable sums of money to social welfare programs just like the europeans? Sorry, Anon, many of us realized that this wasn't a quick in and out [like BJ in Somalia] because that only leads to another 9/11. We're in it for the long haul, to include the eventual increase in funding it because we realize that if we lose this one, nothing else matters.

Posted by Don 2003-7-11 9:27:03 AM|| 2003-7-11 9:27:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 This troll is channeling what he believes to be the conservative viewpoint about Iraq. Of course, it's a load of horsepoop. He liked Bush more than he liked Gore, but changed his views because of the Iraq war? Tell me another one.

What I would sorely like to do is to grab him and hand him over to one of those Baathists he's always defending. Of course, he might find himself in pig heaven, actually convert to Islam and become a Baathist member himself. The Baathist Party espouses many of this troll's values - a superiority complex (vis-a-vis ordinary Americans), rabid anti-Americanism and a contempt for the skill and courage of the American soldier.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-7-11 9:28:52 AM|| 2003-7-11 9:28:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 We wouldn't want to impugn on Rick Cranium's right to free speech.

This troll's got the right to say whatever he wants on his own website. What he's doing is comparable to a vandal spray-painting a political slogan on someone else's car. But hey, it's up to Fred.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2003-7-11 10:53:01 AM|| 2003-7-11 10:53:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 I can't help but note the comparison between Fred's site here and "The Democratic Underground" that booted me out, cancelled my log in and erased my e-mail after one posting. And I didn't hide behind anonymity but proudly posted my handle. Come to think of it - that's probably why I was booted out. Liberals love to tout diversity but can not stand diversity of opinion. I know this firsthand from going to law school in the lefty enclave of Boulder, Colorado.

Posted by ColoradoConservative 2003-7-11 10:55:50 AM|| 2003-7-11 10:55:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Anonymous = balless coward.

Posted by Raj 2003-7-11 11:25:31 AM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2003-7-11 11:25:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 The only conclusion one can draw is that for liberal Democrats, Americaâs strategic interests are not just an irrelevance, but also a deterrent to intervention. This is a perversity born of moral vanity. For liberals, foreign policy is social work. National interest -- i.e., national selfishness -- is a taint. The only justified interventions, therefore, are those that are morally pristine, namely, those that are uncorrupted by any suggestion of national interest.

I agree, but I also believe that a contributing factor is the underlying notion among liberals that we rich white Americans must proactively assuage our collective guilt for being ... well ... rich and white. The "we are not worthy" ethos as expressed by Wayne and Garth in "Wayne's World". Thus, the American left believes that we most prove to the world that we really are good people at base. Then, maybe perhaps they will like us - "They like us, they really really like us!" Of course, when the enemy hates you regardless of what you do, the premise is invalid and dangerous.

Posted by MusicMan 2003-7-11 12:12:55 PM|| 2003-7-11 12:12:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Man, I leave for two weeks to work on my compound in the Blackrock Desert and you guys let the riff-raff in. Talk about lowering the tone!

Posted by Secret Master 2003-7-11 2:43:06 PM|| [www.budgetwarrior.com] 2003-7-11 2:43:06 PM|| Front Page Top

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