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Snowden wasn't first: first there was Binney...

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Posted by Steve White 2013-06-11 00:00|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 I'm surprised people are acting surprised. I've known this has been going on for probably 10 years.

The whole point of it is to find people you wouldn't otherwise know about.

Posted by phil_b 2013-06-11 00:59|| 2013-06-11 00:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Think of the lives which might have been saved had the "traitorous" Count Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg been successful.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-06-11 04:47|| 2013-06-11 04:47|| Front Page Top

#3 If you have the proper resources, crisis' can be manufactured and managed....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-06-11 08:38|| 2013-06-11 08:38|| Front Page Top

#4 "but one morning in July 2007, a dozen agents armed with rifles appeared at his house, with one of them entering the bathroom where Binney was toweling off after a shower, pointing a gun at him."

Posted by JohnQC 2013-06-11 10:08|| 2013-06-11 10:08|| Front Page Top

#5 I don't all it treason to reveal unconstitutional activity. Unlike the wiki leaks stuff, no direct sources and methods were exposed, and there was no dumping of agent names and lilies. You want to call it treason, you're going to have problems me and a lot of others who take the subject of unlawful orders seriously (especially collecting against US Persons which used to be grounds for dismissal), and we still believe our oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution are meaningful and require consideration, no matter the personal consequences.

Personally I don't know what his motivations were in exposing the existence of a program that many have long suspected --and which any even halfway savvy enemy would already assume exists and have taken precautions against -- but I commend the end effects of which is to spur the public into considering the cost to our liberty of an unfettered and unprecedented wide collection against so many citizens without warrant

Posted by OldSpook 2013-06-11 19:21|| 2013-06-11 19:21|| Front Page Top

#6 ... Without a warrant nor probable cause, contravening our 4th amendment and possibly the 5th (due process), as well as centuries of common law. It's like fingerprinting and DNA testing everyone, "just in case"

Posted by OldSpook 2013-06-11 19:30|| 2013-06-11 19:30|| Front Page Top

#7 It seems like they HAD warrants; the scary thing is the warrants were secret and darned-near blanket. With as little judicial oversight as FISA is exercising there is no particular reason to even bother with a judiciary.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-06-11 19:39|| 2013-06-11 19:39|| Front Page Top

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