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2008-06-28 Iraq

Iraqi officials outraged by U.S. raid in prime minister's hometown

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-06-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 That filthy country doesn't have a democracy. Islamofascist clerics supported the usual Middle East swine for office. Iraq's leaders - outside of Kurdistan - are all members of the Arab genocide pack.

Posted by McZoid 2008-06-28 00:38|| 2008-06-28 00:38|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, was there an agreement, or not? Agreements need to stick, otherwise there's not much point.

Posted by gromky 2008-06-28 00:58|| 2008-06-28 00:58|| Front Page Top

#3 It's going to take a few days for the posturing to die down and the facts to come out.

Posted by gorb 2008-06-28 01:35|| 2008-06-28 01:35|| Front Page Top

#4 McZoid, that country has a fledgling representative government. At the time Saddam was taken down, over 78% of the country had been born under his rule Until 2003 they had zero experience of any other way of ruling. Compared to him, Maliki's a big improvement. It's not going to be all Jefferson and Founding Fathers immediately over there.

Hell, it wasn't all Jefferson and Founding Fathers over here at first either -- as women and slaves were quite aware. And that's with a governing class that were steeped in English common law and parliamentary traditions.

Still, our historic and so far successful experiment in liberty, dignity and representative government has been worth it. There's a good chance Iraq's will be too if given both the chance and some nudging on major issues.

Which is what Petraeus is doing -- including with this raid.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-28 08:48|| 2008-06-28 08:48|| Front Page Top

#5 Obviously it was a hit. The much beloved Phoenix Program in Vietnam served the same function: to located and eradicate traitors with high or protected positions in government.

And it worked very well. When they would identify a traitor, they would kidnap him, use ARVN troops to extract information, then execute him. Then they would take down his whole ring, often in a "night of the long knives" operation.

It was what destroyed the Viet Cong and forced them to conduct the Tet Offensive, which wiped them out.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-28 09:24|| 2008-06-28 09:24|| Front Page Top

#6 Someone's following the money flow out of Iran and tagging the owners of bank accounts [or the equivalent]?

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-06-28 09:45|| 2008-06-28 09:45|| Front Page Top

#7 Lotp, you really believe this?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-06-28 11:43|| 2008-06-28 11:43|| Front Page Top

#8 Yeah. Although my experience doing business in the middle east with both Arab countries and Israel doesn't leave me with naive optimism.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-28 11:58|| 2008-06-28 11:58|| Front Page Top

#9
#4 = well put lotp! ~;)

Posted by RD">RD 2008-06-28 12:17|| 2008-06-28 12:17|| Front Page Top

#10 Khazaali said the raid was based on false intelligence and that the U.S. military should 'submit a report to clarify all the circumstances and to point out the killers and hand over the names of everyone who participated in the military operation in order for them to appear before the Iraqi judicial system.'

Kidding me right? This 'Iraqi Judicial System' is quite the oxymoron don't cha think.

He added that the man detained in the operation, Hussein Nima, was visiting the area and didn't reside in Karbala.

yeah he was only visiting his long lost cousin. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Where have I heard this before.

About 60 U.S. soldiers then stormed the town, "terrifying the families," he said.

this is the mindset that I have a hard time understanding. Our guys terrify them and are referred to as killers, but to the many insurgents that rape and pillage they are looked upon as the good guys? Why don't more Iraqi's see that we are trying to help them. Probably just more uneducated followers to some charasmatic mullah again. (Although, I see this in our own country with Obama) Drives me nuts.

Posted by Jan 2008-06-28 13:48|| 2008-06-28 13:48|| Front Page Top

#11 I go with lotp on this one. I;ve worked with enough of the right peopel to know that there is a glimmer over there, and that if we can continue to excise the bad, and nurture the good, it will work out for the first time ever in that tribal region.

As to the Iraqis being loud about this: They are "saving face" with the public whinging which they have to do to appear "manly" by standing up to the US - and playing to the US Press about the "justice system". But betcha a good dinner that behind closed doors they will be thanking the US commanders for taking out someone they couldn't politically touch.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-06-28 17:20|| 2008-06-28 17:20|| Front Page Top

#12 It's an 'honor' thing. Part of it is the old "how dare you enter the Sheik's tent without permission" and part of it is underlings trying to curry favor with Maliki. Hence the overheated remarks.

Had this happened anywhere else other than 'Sheik' Maliki's home-town, or if this had happened prior to Maliki ascending to a strong-horse position after Basra, the reaction would have been much less strident.

Posted by Pappy 2008-06-28 18:52|| 2008-06-28 18:52|| Front Page Top

#13 thanks OS that makes alot of sense. As always Rantburg U helps me to understand.

Posted by Jan 2008-06-28 18:57|| 2008-06-28 18:57|| Front Page Top

#14 Mixing democracy with arabs is like mixing oil and water. Their koran tells them that sovereignty belongs to their fictitious deity, allah. Secularism is dying in the Middle East. Elections favor Islamofascists. Jews, Kurds, Mandeans, Berbers, Bedouins, Druze, Assyrians are the last national movements there. And they are all both under Islamofascist siege and without effective international support.

Support for sham ME democracies is the equivalent of signing a death warrant against 50,000,000 people who are not Arabs in blood or by conquest.

What if I am right and the secret al-Sistani jihad fatwahs are true? What if an uprising re-starts after a failed SOFA process? What if the majority of Iraqis want US troops out and Iranian Basij elements in? We outlawed Japanese Militarism, German Nazism and Iraq Baathism. Which one inspired the 9-11 atrocities? NONE. It was the same Wahabism and Khomenism that we indulge. Give them a chance? They had a chance and chose to elect a pro-Iranian government, constructed at huge American human and monetary costs.

Posted by McZoid 2008-06-28 20:53|| 2008-06-28 20:53|| Front Page Top

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