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2004-06-21 Terror Networks

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia Aided Bin Laden, Say Panel Members

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Posted by Paul Moloney 2004-06-21 1:02:25 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 In 1995, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan implemented a policy of territorial expansion, through economic and cultural integration with Afghanistan. The policy was called: "Pakistan in Depth." Saudi Arabia both recognized and financed the Taliban regime, while Pakistan provided military training and education resources for the Saud financed jihad-madrasas. Many graduates carried out Inter-Services Intelligence agency terrorism in Kashmir. Every major Wahabi and Jamaat Tablighi cleric fatwahed in favor of Taliban, and gave tacit support for al-Qaeda terrorism. Saud financing was ended only when Taliban integrated with Al-Qaeda, which challenged the "apostate" regime. Still, the Saud entity maintained recognition of Taliban/al-Qaeda after the 9-11 genocide. Pakistan altered course, only because of Bush-Powell bribery.

If Bush had chosen to attack Afghanistan from the North, and forced abject surrenders rather than the sham armistice arrangements, which facilitate current Pakistan based terror, a pro-American regime would be in power in Afghanistan. As it is, the Karzai government's sovereignty exists only in the shoes of the nominal President. Pakistan was nearly bankrupt on Sept. 11, 2001. Now they are thriving on US cash, while polls regularly reveal massive anti-American hatred. Not content to sow the wind in Afghanistan, Bush-Powell seeded the same indulgence of Islamofascism in Iraq, at a cost of $120,000,000,000 to American taxpayers.

Trolls:
Your ad hominems are deflective. If your beliefs cause you desperation, then alter your beliefs.

Posted by Dog Bites Trolls 2004-06-21 1:29:00 AM|| 2004-06-21 1:29:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 And your man Kerry is going to fix all this, I take it? He's going to kick Pakistan and Saudi Arabia's asses? Funny, he hasn't said a thing about doing either of those.

So, what's your call DBT? You want to go to war with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia or are you just blowing smoke because you hate Bush? You ready to rumble? Is Kerry?

Posted by RMcLeod 2004-06-21 2:10:16 AM|| 2004-06-21 2:10:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Anyone to scapegoat other than the Clinton idiots.

Posted by Capt America 2004-06-21 2:25:45 AM|| [http://captamerica.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-21 2:25:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Whadda suprise.

Posted by JerseyMike 2004-06-21 7:10:41 AM|| 2004-06-21 7:10:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 NMM's Production Studio Name Play (Dog eats Dog Films is the name of MM's production studio) unlike others, I actually enjoy your posts. Thank you and NMM for being my morning clown show! You logic twisting show is better than a balloon show anyday. Thanks! It's cute, even if it is childish.

Posted by B 2004-06-21 7:29:01 AM|| 2004-06-21 7:29:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Pakistan and Saudi Arabia helped set the stage for the Sept. 11 attacks by cutting deals with the Taliban and Osama bin Laden that allowed his Al Qaeda terrorist network to flourish, according to several senior members of the Sept. 11 commission and U.S. counter-terrorism officials.

It's an outrage! It proves Bush lied! Oh wait....it was during the Clinton administration. As we know from the NYT reporting of the 9/11 commission, there are NO LINKS here people.... move along.

Posted by B 2004-06-21 7:31:28 AM|| 2004-06-21 7:31:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Has Dog Bites Trolls ever claimed to support Clinton or Kerry?

Posted by Paul Moloney 2004-06-21 7:43:34 AM|| 2004-06-21 7:43:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Come to think of it, let's give NMM a big hand for staying sober for 7 days. Only 21 more days for the blue chipe NMM!

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-21 7:45:59 AM|| 2004-06-21 7:45:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 If Bush had chosen to attack Afghanistan from the North, and forced abject surrenders rather than the sham armistice arrangements, which facilitate current Pakistan based terror, a pro-American regime would be in power in Afghanistan.

Why is it that the anti-war folks always talk about what WOULD have happened instead of what is happening? From Kerry to Clark to Clinton, this naive world view is delusional fantasy.

Kerry-We will get international support (how can he guarantee how others will behave?)

Clark-There would be no more terrorist attacks in my adminstration (how can he guarantee that?)

Clinton-I supported the action but would hav waited until the inspectors had finished their work (presupposition that bad weather and a loooong heads up to Saddam wouldn't have caused greater casualties to the coalition and changed the sequence of events in Iraq).

DBT-you are assuming a lot-exactly how would America have attacked Afghanistan from the north? Why do you believe that countries bordering Afghanistan would have allowed it? Also, forcing abject surrenders might have resulted in even bigger violence and tainted the war with even more anti-American sentiment.

You have to play the cards you're dealt in this life, not live in the fantasy of what you project.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-21 10:13:46 AM|| 2004-06-21 10:13:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Clark-There would be no more terrorist attacks in my adminstration (how can he guarantee that?)

Hell, Clark didn't even finish up Kosovo.

Posted by eLarson 2004-06-21 2:30:50 PM|| 2004-06-21 2:30:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 If Bush had chosen to attack Afghanistan from the North, and forced abject surrenders rather than the sham armistice arrangements, which facilitate current Pakistan based terror, a pro-American regime would be in power in Afghanistan.

Waitaminnit. Last week Karzai was our stooge. Now he's against us?

And, wait. Bush did attack Afghanistan from the north. Anyone else remember that the people we worked with were called the NORTHERN ALLIANCE? Hell, I remember following the advance -- Mazar e Sharif fell before Kabul, and Mazar's NORTH of Kabul.

Odd. DBT's clearly visiting from an alternate reality. Either that, or he needs to stop drinking bong water.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-21 2:41:44 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-21 2:41:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Waitaminnit. Last week Karzai was our stooge. Now he's against us? And, wait. Bush did attack Afghanistan from the north. Anyone else remember that the people we worked with were called the NORTHERN ALLIANCE? Hell, I remember following the advance -- Mazar e Sharif fell before Kabul, and Mazar's NORTH of Kabul. Odd. DBT's clearly visiting from an alternate reality. Either that, or he needs to stop drinking bong water.

I stand corrected Robert.

DBT-You might have a point that it would have been better to get Pakistan on the same page with us, but again we're back to the anti-war tendency to project that the assets which exist currently are fixed for the future. Had we stopped Pakistan in its tracks, how do you know those activities wouldn't have been pushed to some other bordering country and created an even more complicated scenario. It's backseat driving. Yes, there are probabilities, but we are not omniscient. If we could forecast exactly who would do what with 100% accuracy, we sure as hell wouldn't be living here on earth. You make the best judgments you can and go with them.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-21 3:00:36 PM|| 2004-06-21 3:00:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Nothing against you, jules. I had to think a bit before I recalled how Afghanistan fell, and I only bothered because DBT's spew just seemed out of tune with reality.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-21 3:04:04 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-21 3:04:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 No offense taken. I usually learn something from what you have to say.

Posted by jules 187 2004-06-21 6:07:26 PM|| 2004-06-21 6:07:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 And, wait. Bush did attack Afghanistan from the north. Anyone else remember that the people we worked with were called the NORTHERN ALLIANCE? Hell, I remember following the advance -- Mazar e Sharif fell before Kabul, and Mazar's NORTH of Kabul.

You don't get it, Mr. Crawford. Maybe DBT wanted an All-American invasion. You know, drums drumming, bugles blaring. Patton in his jeep ahead of the whole parade. Not a bunch of feelthy Afghani muslims, who should've been shot like like every other muslim.

Then again, we'd be hearing a whole new aria of wackiness.

Posted by Pappy 2004-06-21 8:00:03 PM|| 2004-06-21 8:00:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Paul Maloney:
Okay, I support a hardline Congress that lights an anti-Wahabist/Khomenist fire under the White House. Don't you ever wonder why Bush-Powell never pressure the Punjabi and Saud entities? Slaves know their place.

What part of Bush-doesn't-have-a-hope-in-hell don't you understand? Kerry - the jerk - hasn't even started his attack-ads yet. Get a copy of the Neo-Con White House insider book, "The Right Man," (by David Frum) and read the section where the reformed alcoholic brings Jews, Muslims and Christians into the White House to celebrate their alleged common-faith, and you tell me if GWB is playing with a full deck.

As for the Afghan war being fought from the north, USAF attacks were carried out from two airbases in the Punjabi-racist entity. Bush-Powell put heavy pressure on the Northern Alliance to make suicidal deals with Taliban/al-Qaeda elements. In October 2001, Bush went public with an exhonerating offer to Mullah Omar, to deliver bin Laden, or face war. Only a moron - or a Saudi stooge - could discern a separate identity between the Omar and bin Laden groups.

Posted by Dog Bites Trolls 2004-06-21 11:53:24 PM|| 2004-06-21 11:53:24 PM|| Front Page Top

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