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2005-05-30 Europe

More on the French 'non' from al-Guardian

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Posted by Steve White 2005-05-30 00:07|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 a good idea implemented in a bad manner is not a good idea.

The people of Europe are not stupid. They know that a commonwealth is a good idea. This consitution did not even come close to achieving the goals and set them back to the days of Rome when bureaucrats and favored sons ruled their fate.

Score one for the people. As Washington, Jefferson and a few others said, they really arent as stupid as you'd think.

I'm just sorry we don't get to see Chirac's head in the basket.

Posted by 2b 2005-05-30 01:07|| 2005-05-30 01:07|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm just sorry we don't get to see Chirac's head in the basket

2b, well, how about them forks stuck into him...
that would be a nice sight to behold too. He may be done.

Posted by twobyfour 2005-05-30 03:06|| 2005-05-30 03:06|| Front Page Top

#3 Hmmm. The EU has a 50 year history? There's been an EU since 1955? Al-Guardian says so in the very first sentence.

Bullshit.

The EU website says:
European integration is based on four founding treaties:

1) The Treaty establishing the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), which was signed on 18 April 1951 in Paris, entered into force on 23 July 1952 and expired on 23 July 2002;

2) The Treaty establishing the European Economic Community (EEC);

3) The Treaty establishing the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom), which was signed (along with the EEC Treaty) in Rome on 25 March 1957, and entered into force on 1 January 1958. These Treaties are often referred to as the "Treaties of Rome". When the term "Treaty of Rome" is used, only the EEC Treaty is meant;

4) The Treaty on European Union, which was signed in Maastricht on 7 February 1992, entered into force on 1 November 1993. 'The Maastricht Treaty changed the name of the European Economic Community to simply "the European Community". It also introduced new forms of co-operation between the Member State governments - for example on defence, and in the area of "justice and home affairs". By adding this inter-governmental co-operation to the existing "Community" system, the Maastricht Treaty created a new structure with three "pillars" which is political as well economic. This is the European Union (EU).

Maastricht is where the "EU" was born. Spinpricks. AlG is beyond hopeless - they're liars and Tranzi whores.

Posted by .com 2005-05-30 04:07|| 2005-05-30 04:07|| Front Page Top

#4 "...they're liars and Tranzi whores.." and those are their good points. I can't telly you I am sad about this because I am not. Stick a fork in it because it's done.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-05-30 05:09|| 2005-05-30 05:09|| Front Page Top

#5 It ain't over just because of this vote and the expected rejection by the Dutch and Danes. There is a mulligan that can be played and it is more like a Clinton (you can use it several times from different improved lies). In fact, the best thing for American interests is if the constitution goes through. You think this is skewed logic? Nope, having a 25 member country Europe under this type of constitution (own foreign affairs policy) could work to our advantage since the EU would be more balanced with the ascent of the big Eastern European countries like Poland. Now you have independent minded, socialistic, ankle biters unrestrained. Remember in France it was the leftist-leaning and farmers, cheese makers, etc. that voted no - not the business, industrial, professional combines. But there will be other votes and they have time to straighten this out. The good news is that Chirac is toast as is Schroeder since using anti-Americanism as a reason to vote for a "multi-polar" counter weight failed and failed miserably. People voted with their pocket books or rather their security blankets.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2005-05-30 10:15|| 2005-05-30 10:15|| Front Page Top

#6 The major problems of France and German are that they have too much socialism, too much welfarism and too many muslims (this last problem is related to the first two).

These problems aren't cured in a day but the vote at leasts gives them another chance to begin the long process of curing the problems.

Posted by mhw 2005-05-30 12:06|| 2005-05-30 12:06|| Front Page Top

#7 Spot on mwh. Sweden has the same problem. Belgium and the Netherlands probably fall in the same bucket. Spain is on its way.

Not sure where or how this ends. Can't see events developing peacefully towards freedom, especially as law-abiding citizens are denied the right to keep and bear arms and thus the right to self-defense. I'm glad I no longer live in Europe.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-05-30 13:02|| 2005-05-30 13:02|| Front Page Top

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