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2004-05-23 Iraq-Jordan
Good General or just a General Idiot
My fellow Ranter’s, I have know idea who this General is, so I am asking my fellow Ranter’s if anyone is in the know about this guy. Is this guy a bitter old General who did not get a chance to play with the modern US Military? Are we not surprised that this is another part of Viacom’s attack on the President? Are we not sick of this relentless attack on the President? Or is this something the whole country will be consumed with as a legitimate concern? Please, help me to understand the reason for this bitter tirade? Does this not sound a little bit anti-Semitic?
Zinni's criticism of the Iraq war seems grounded in his assessment of the situation. I was surprised to see the extent of it, but he's been against the war since before we invaded. I understand he's a good man, though, despite his belief in the UN. He played the part of Sysiphus in the last actual round of shuttle diplomacy with the Paleos. Unfashionable as it was at the time, he referred to Yasser as an "unreformed liar," to a predictable chorus of gasps, fainting spells, and similar attacks of the vapors...
Accusing top Pentagon officials of "dereliction of duty," retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni says staying the course in Iraq isn’t a reasonable option. "The course is headed over Niagara Falls. I think it’s time to change course a little bit or at least hold somebody responsible for putting you on this course," he tells CBS News Correspondent Steve Kroft in an interview to be broadcast on 60 Minutes, Sunday, May 23, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

The current situation in Iraq was destined to happen, says Zinni, because planning for the war and its aftermath has been flawed all along. "There has been poor strategic thinking in this... poor operational planning and execution on the ground," says Zinni, who served as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000. Zinni blames the poor planning on the civilian policymakers in the administration, known as neo-conservatives, who saw the invasion as a way to stabilize the region and support Israel. He believes these people, who include Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense, have hijacked U.S. foreign policy. "They promoted it and pushed [the war]... even to the point of creating their own intelligence to match their needs. Then they should bear the responsibility," Zinni tells Kroft.

In his upcoming book, "Battle Ready," written with Tom Clancy, Zinni writes of the poor planning in harsh terms. "In the lead-up to the Iraq war and its later conduct, I saw, at minimum, true dereliction, negligence and irresponsibility; at worst, lying, incompetence and corruption," he writes. Zinni explains to Kroft, "I think there was dereliction in insufficient forces being put on the ground and [in not] fully understanding the military dimensions of the plan." He still believes the situation is salvageable if the United States can communicate more effectively with the Iraqi people and demonstrate a better image to them.

The enlistment of the U.N. and other countries to participate in the mission is also crucial, he says. Without these things, says Zinni, "We are going to be looking for quick exits. I don’t believe we’re there now, and I wouldn’t want to see us fail here." Also central to success in Iraq is more troops, from the United States and especially other countries, to control violence and patrol borders, he says. Zinni feels that undertaking the war with the minimum of troops paved the way for the security problems the U.S. faces there now, the violence Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld recently admitted he hadn’t anticipated. "He should not have been surprised," says Zinni. "There were a number of people who before we even engaged in this conflict felt strongly that we underestimated...the scope of the problems we would have in [Iraq]." The fact that no one in the administration has paid for the blunder irks Zinni. "But regardless of whose responsibility [it is]...it should be evident to everybody that they’ve screwed up, and whose heads are rolling on this?"
Posted by Long Hair Republican 2004-05-23 1:20:59 PM|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Zinni is a Marine's Marine. I have heard him speak at the National Defense Universtiy. He is thoughtful, smart, and and an excellent tactitian. You have to at least listen to what he has to say, though you may disagree. He never shoots from the hip.
Posted by anymouse  2004-05-23 10:42:05 PM||   2004-05-23 10:42:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 'mouse is correct. Heard him speak at Lejeune couple years back. He's the real deal. If he said something was fucked up, it prolly was. Zinni's only allegiance is to our boyz in the field. I'll have to read the book to see what his specific gripes are.
Posted by Jarhead 2004-05-23 10:48:40 PM||   2004-05-23 10:48:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 yup, Zinni is the first anti-Bush type who gets my attention. he oversaw relief efforts to the Kurds agter Gulf War 1 as well as Somalia. very, very solid. indeed when arguing with my Dad (a Navy 3-star) about the war, he specifically mentioned Zinni as someone who had his wondering if all this was smart.

that said, Zinni seems to go on and on about the neocons as if they somehow 'connived' and 'seduced' the Admin into this approach as opposed to simply convincing them rationally. FWIW.
Posted by boltthrow 2004-05-23 10:53:12 PM||   2004-05-23 10:53:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I also seem to remember seeing Zinni saying, after the Cole attack, that there wasn't really anything wrong with using Yemen as a refuelling port.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2004-05-23 11:02:17 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2004-05-23 11:02:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Zinni is also the infamously ineffective "special envoy" to the Israel-Palestine conflict from back in March 2002 ...
Posted by Edward Yee  2004-05-23 11:03:31 PM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2004-05-23 11:03:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 We've had a few Zinni articles in which he was even harsher. His attitude here is quite reasonable. There is no doubt plenty of room for valid criticism and Zinni's earned the right to deliver it.

One possible reason that heads have not rolled (beside W's extreme sense of loyalty to staff) is that the Pentagon did not get everything it wanted prior to the war. Arguably the fundamental error that has been made was overestimating how quickly Iraqi security forces could be stood up. Recall that the Pentagon wanted to train a bunch of exiles for this task (Chalabai's boys, etc.) and State did not support it. Also, State dropped the ball with regard to getting the 4th ID into Turkey.

So, on some matters, Rumsfeld is probably the guy saying "I told you so."

My main problem with Zinni is that he has the same exact worldview as the Arabists at State: we should constantly pressure Israel and tolerate the dysfunctional rule of assorted Sunni strongmen to keep the oil flowing and preserve 'stability.' "Neocon" concepts like reform or democracy only lead to 'instability' which is to be avoided at all costs.

This attitude gave us the pathologies that led to 9/11 and is unsustainable as WMD becomes technically achievable for and increasing number of countries and organizations. I am not sure if Zinni would be so outspoken regarding the performance of his Centcom successors if he did not thoroughly disagree with the entire idea of 'destabilizing' the region as we have done.
Posted by JAB 2004-05-23 11:27:56 PM||   2004-05-23 11:27:56 PM|| Front Page Top

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