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2005-05-18 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

AP: Uzbek Rebel Leader Wants Islamic State

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Posted by Steve 2005-05-18 9:29:53 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Nice pic - May the Horse be with you!

Posted by Raj 2005-05-18 11:25|| 2005-05-18 11:25|| Front Page Top

#2 Horse should really be a goat.

Posted by Charles 2005-05-18 13:53|| 2005-05-18 13:53|| Front Page Top

#3 Its not clear to me that the Korasuv types are grand Wahabi-Jihadi-Caliphate types, or just simple peasants whose instinct is turn to the Koran and Sharia, probably a local version. Not that said instinct isnt a problem, but it doesnt mean they will ally with IMU or HUT. Not clear that Akramia crowd (which does NOT seem to be peasants) is Wahabi or extremist either. I suggest reading Schwartz article on Uzbekistan in Weekly Standard. Note well that Karimov not only represses human rights and democracy, but apparently also represses free trade and private business. Typical ex-Commie, ex-Soviet, kleptocrat. Theyve seen change next door in Kyrgizistan, and they want it too, maybe.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-05-18 14:11|| 2005-05-18 14:11|| Front Page Top

#4 Well, LH, you're right about that democracy next door in Kyrgizstan being important, but I'd do some research and Googling on Uzbekistan and Waahabism, Al Queda and Bin Laden.
It seems that things may have gotten too hot for Osama and his boys in Wuziristan, so they may have moved into Uzbeki terrority.
It's almost beyond question, however, that violence, murder and agitation in Uzbekistan has Waahab-Al Queda links, weapons support and funding.

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro">Jennie Taliaferro 2005-05-18 14:43|| http://www.greatestjeneration.com]">[http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2005-05-18 14:43|| Front Page Top

#5 I doubt very much that Osama himself is in Uzbekistan. For one he'd have to cross Afghanistan, including some of the parts of Afghanistan most loyal to the Northern Alliance and most hostile to the Taliban and AQ. Secondly, we've been hearing buzz (from Paki security, so grain of salt, but still) that the Uzbeks and others central Asians in AQ are not getting along well these days with the Arabs, and that this is what led to the capture of Al Libbi. I'd think Uzbekistan is one of the last places he'd head to.

It is true, as you say, that there has been terrorist violence in Uzbekistan connected to Wahabism and AQ - the IMU, to be specific. The question, however is whether the folks who broke into the prison, and who subsequently were demonstrated against the regime and were fired on, were connected to IMU and (also Wahabist) HUT, or were they basically guys inspired by Bushs visit to Georgia, by the "4th wave" of democratization, who just happen to be use mildly Islamist language to attract the locals. There really isnt enough info to decide yet. I sure hope Condi as a better idea of whats going on there then we do.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-05-18 16:49|| 2005-05-18 16:49|| Front Page Top

#6 Get 'em LH.

Posted by Shipman 2005-05-18 18:29|| 2005-05-18 18:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Guess you don't like me Shipman, but my weariness in countering you-know-who's Liberal, happy horseshit was one of the reasons I quit posting here for a long time.

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro">Jennie Taliaferro 2005-05-18 20:23|| http://www.greatestjeneration.com]">[http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2005-05-18 20:23|| Front Page Top

#8 The Stans remind me a lot of Latin America 30 or 40 years ago, except the dictators are nuttier and the marxists have been replaced by Islamicists. Whatever happens it will take a generation before we get a model for success like Chile. In the mean time we should press for reforms and back the least objectional faction, which for my money is the rebels.

Posted by phil_b 2005-05-18 20:41|| 2005-05-18 20:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Jen - You could try my current approach... just be a smartass if and when the mood truly strikes and, once in awhile, let 'er rip with something that really bugs you. I don't give a ratfuck what anyone thinks of me anymore, although I do tend to want to explain myself if I respect the poster caught unawares, such as Jonathan on the China / UNSC post, today. Had it been one of the grabass types, not worthy. I'm on a Civility Conservation kick. My cause du jour, heh.

It's just the 'Net. Don't mean nothing / ain't no big thing.

Just a suggestion. I watch a lot of killer Japanese movies (Beat Takeshi & Zatoichi just rock) these days and have reduced my arguing with the Vapid Phantasms of Trolldom. I've got a great one (movie, not Troll) going up on a Media Server soon - I'll send you an invite via the mail link on your site. Keep the faith and hang tough. Reduced, but not eliminated, exposure can be a good thang, lol! That's from a Foat Wuth boy.

This, too, shall pass.

Posted by .com 2005-05-18 20:49|| 2005-05-18 20:49|| Front Page Top

#10 far as I'm concerned Ground Islamist MovementÂ© makes excellent fertilizer. Apply often

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-05-18 21:57|| 2005-05-18 21:57|| Front Page Top

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