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2009-05-15 Britain

Nanny Government Horrified When Gypsies With Axes Object To Surveillance Helicopter

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Posted by Anonymoose 2009-05-15 00:16|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 A group of travellers
euphemism for Gypsies?
something else?

Posted by 3dc 2009-05-15 00:39|| 2009-05-15 00:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Yup, that's the euphemism.

Posted by Steve White 2009-05-15 00:51|| 2009-05-15 00:51|| Front Page Top

#3 Gypsy Gypsies or "Irish Gypsies"???

(Travellers refer to themselves as "Pavees" .
Derogatory terms are sometimes used to refer to
them by non-Travellers, such as "pikeys" and
"knackers". In Irish, Travellers are called an
Lucht Siúil, literally, "the walking people")

Irish Gypsies are a plague too even in America.

You may remember that incident where an Irish gypsy mother was caught on video surveillance beating her little daughter for not stealing properly...

They specialize as phony home repair contractors...

Posted by Ming the Merciless">Ming the Merciless 2009-05-15 01:02|| www.darthprophet.com]">[www.darthprophet.com] 2009-05-15 01:02|| Front Page Top

#4 I'll add that the real Gypsies are the only group
standing up against the muslim plague in Eurabia
in several riots on the continent..

In Kosovo, they are famous for fighting side to side
with the Serbs in the losing fight against the
invading muslims of Albania...

Posted by Ming the Merciless">Ming the Merciless 2009-05-15 01:10|| www.darthprophet.com]">[www.darthprophet.com] 2009-05-15 01:10|| Front Page Top

#5 Travellers are distinct from Roma, but have similar negative aspects of their society.

Posted by Cherelet and Tenille1095 2009-05-15 03:48|| 2009-05-15 03:48|| Front Page Top

#6 Like Ming said, I think "travellers" here are irish gypsies, IE ethnic european nomads, as compared to actual gypsies - everybopdy here has watched "Snatch", I guess.
By the way, though nowadays the nuances ar emostly lost, there are the same disctinctions in french between "gitans" (gypsies) and "Romanichels", "Manouches", "Roms", and aprobably a few others I can't recall, which designates nomads from other ethnic backgrounds or gypsies orginating from other european countries (mostly Spain and Romania). Consacred euphemism is "gens du voyage", IE traveller people, though it suits circus people too.

As for Ming's appreciation of gypsies, I agree, though I'll just add that gypsies, even settled ones, are a "problem" population in themselves, often either dependent on welfare and not integrated well into mainstream sociey, or fully immerged into a traditional lifestyle of organized crime (from actual mob bosses, to whole bands specialized in burglary sprees - with houses owners coming back to their homes to find it stripped of everything, to the walls! -, warehouse lootings, or car theft). IIRC, when some MSM breached the "color of crime " taboo, it was reported than about one adult gypsie out of two has a criminal record of some sort.
And even for non career criminals traveling bands, let's just say that the temporary cohabitation with the locals generally isn't great, squatted grounds, pirated electricity and water, petty thefts all around, garbage left all over th eplace, and the cleaning bill to others when they leave.
This is why, even despite the law requiring localities to provide a suitable ground for them at their (with electricity and water, waste disposal), many are just very reticent.
And, then, there are the Roms, IE the gypsies from Romania, who are an actual third world criminal underclass right here in Europe, organized begging, child prostitution, violent assault (IIRc, there was a backlash against "romanians" in Italy in 2008, after a serie of gangrapes by "romanians"),...

The "resisting" noted by Ming is true, though, many gypsies, at least in France, are evangelicals, and are none too keen on muslims (arabs don't like gypsies, as well).
Also, there's the "turf control" issue, and, lastly, while the french people has been disarmed over the years, gypsies DO have a strong tradition of packing heat, even "simple" shotgunes (like corsicans, but down a few notches comapred to the more extreme corsican cases, no full auto assault rifles or dynamite).

In France, there notably were BIG clashes in 2005??? I think; note that like in the vids below, gypsies 'hoods actually are the ones being attacked, there's a big unbalance in number, between gypsies and "visible minorities".

Videos of shooting between gypsies and "Youths" in Portugal, 2008

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-05-15 04:09|| 2009-05-15 04:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Sorry, this is no good.

I don't care about these peoples ethnic demographic or who they might join in an alliance of convenience, they were under surveillance by proper authorities for believable reasons (possession of stolen goods.) They attacked an instrument of local state power (the chopper.) Roll them up en mass.

If this were a group of muslims, or jews, or just general ne'er-do-wells, I would say the exact same thing.

ONE. STANDARD. ONLY.

Posted by Free Radical">Free Radical 2009-05-15 09:08|| 2009-05-15 09:08|| Front Page Top

#8 free radical: "...after weeks of aerial surveillance on the travellers' site, where detectives believe stolen goods have been hidden."

Discreet surveillance is on thing, but having a helicopter hovering low over your home for even an hour is going to bug the hell out of you. If they did that for "weeks" here in the US, retirement communities would be setting up AA positions.

For some reason, the British authorities at all levels tend to really overdo surveillance, in the most obvious and annoying ways possible. These are people who use cameras to monitor recycling bins, then slap people with enormous fines for putting out their trash too early, or heaven forbid, putting a wrong thing in the wrong bin.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-05-15 09:30|| 2009-05-15 09:30|| Front Page Top

#9 ~~Aerial change detection analysts~~
gummit census takers?

Posted by Besoeker 2009-05-15 10:01|| 2009-05-15 10:01|| Front Page Top

#10 They're all reportedly criminals, vagrants, lowlives, semi-illiterates, distressingly pre-modern, squatters, prob. poachers too... yadayadayada...

And they're also the only group of native Europeans that are actually reproducing at above replacement level.

I think this says a lot about how far down mainstream society has gone.

Free Radical, there should be One Standard Only, but way back when a large number of people who eventually became Americans were transported from England for violating that Standard.

(And just out of curiosity, does anyone think it's really impeding serious criminals in their criminal activity by intermittently flying a helicopter over their trailer park? Couldn't they simply move the goods when the helicopter isn't there?)

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2009-05-15 11:17|| 2009-05-15 11:17|| Front Page Top

#11 And they're also the only group of native Europeans that are actually reproducing at above replacement level.

Thing, if I read Dalrymple correctly the whole underclass of white britons living through welfare is also reproducing above replacement level, through single moms having multiple children from multiple fathers, and being supported by the Nanny's State.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-05-15 11:39|| 2009-05-15 11:39|| Front Page Top

#12 Gypsies I believe are distinct from Travellers as far as I know since technically they are their own etnicity, the Roma. They are a big problem in Italy as well, where they are referred to as "Zingari", pickpocketing at railway stations, burgalizing homes, etc. Actually I think the Roma/Gypsies are the only people who if born in Italy are not recognized as legal Italian residents.

Posted by Nico 2009-05-15 12:17|| 2009-05-15 12:17|| Front Page Top

#13 Conducted a spoiling attack, did they?

Posted by mojo 2009-05-15 14:05|| 2009-05-15 14:05|| Front Page Top

#14 'Moose, I *do* have helicopters over my apartment on a regular basis- they aren't as loud as the fire engines. They also have a LOT more surveillance gear than the hasbro-my-first-spy-chopper that the Brits are using.

I've decided that the benefits outweigh the costs. YMMV. If I thought otherwise, I could either complain or move. Complaining here is very effective- we are legendary complainers.

That's how the ONE STANDARD has to work. If it is broken or crashed, you fix it or update it. That's what we had to do, and I am unsympathetic to those who think they have 'special dispensation' (for reasons of race, religion, or association) to engage in privileged (and lawless) behavior. Which is what I'm talking about here.

Posted by Free Radical">Free Radical 2009-05-15 14:15|| 2009-05-15 14:15|| Front Page Top

#15 Thing, that's why those people who eventually became Americans were so 'off-their-face' concerning checks and balances. I just assume that the ONE STANDARD will get bent, broken or abused. I can do something about it in a legal and lawful way.

Forgive me if I seem a bit amped on the lawful process. Where I live, there are people who are CONTINUALLY demanding special treatment and dispensation for their behavior. I have to go to my hyper-local community meeting every month to add my voice to those who don't want them to get away with it.

Those people aren't 'travelers,' BTW.

They are 'muslims.'

Posted by Free Radical">Free Radical 2009-05-15 14:26|| 2009-05-15 14:26|| Front Page Top

#16 Right, all valid points.

Nothing says you're under surveillance like a loud helicopter.

Let me throw another idea in the chute. If I were Sgt. Constable. Head. Top. Dog. Captain. (insert correct title here) of the department, I'd eat a biscuit, drink some tea, and find a small thing on the Gypsies to BRING THE GYPSIES IN FOR QUESTIONING if I needed to later... No Helicopter.

Then, meanwhile, I'd have the rest of my department tracking down truly heinous criminals, like I'd dont know, say, Islamic Terrorists or wifebeaters.

Posted by GirlThursday 2009-05-15 14:26|| 2009-05-15 14:26|| Front Page Top

#17 Zeropeans behave just like bad parents.

Extreme tolerance followed by violent outburst.
Or leftist liberalism geared to nazi police state measures.(soup nazis)

This is the best way to generate whores and bums as offsprings.

The continentals have tolerated the intolerable
from muslims in their midst, now watch them exterminate them as the Serb did in Kosovo...
(or try!)

Posted by Ming the Merciless">Ming the Merciless 2009-05-15 17:34|| www.darthprophet.com]">[www.darthprophet.com] 2009-05-15 17:34|| Front Page Top

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