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2009-05-06 Home Front: Culture Wars

Democrat Ag Chairman "will not support any kind of climate change bill"

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Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2009-05-06 13:15|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 measurement of bio fuels' greenhouse gas emissions

Ummm, I thought the current "Eco Speak" was "No emissions since it's a renewable fuel (Yes I know it's gobbledygook)

Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim 2009-05-06 15:02|| 2009-05-06 15:02|| Front Page Top

#2 An interesting aspect of carbon taxes / regulation that I've not seen addressed is the impact it will have on food prices and the global food supply. US farmers produce a significant fraction of the world's grain and many US farmers (particularly those whose lands are in the bottom couple of quintiles on the productivity scale) are having a tough time hanging on. Carbon taxes will have outsized effects on fertilizer costs which will drive grain farmers on less productive lands out of the industry as their land simply won't be able to produce enough to absorb the additional imposed costs. We'll see an outsized spike in grain prices as a result before things settle in at a new equilibrium but that point will certainly see the world food supply reduced.

Posted by AzCat 2009-05-06 15:31|| 2009-05-06 15:31|| Front Page Top

#3 Barry is aware of all this Azcat. He's tarketing the big Corporate Ag, guys who work 800-1000 acres or more...the $250k per year and above crowd. Never mind the fact the smaller operators will go under first. Gotta break a few eggs, etc. Level the playing field, redistribute the land and so on.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-05-06 15:37|| 2009-05-06 15:37|| Front Page Top

#4 Besoaker - The big corporate ag guys are way bigger than 800-1000 acres, at least on average and worse land. Cash flows & equipment costs dictate a larger operation than that for those who want to own their own equipment these days.

It's the big guys who'll survive and benefit as costs are escalated. Maybe Obama really doesn't understand that but I suspect that he does: millions of small business owners with stakes in the country are an unruly mob that's difficult to control; centralize those small businesses into far fewer and far larger ones with only a handful of people deriving the lion's share of the benefit and the problem of government control becomes orders of magnitude easier. To me it seems that he's following a classic economic fascist model in order to leave the federal government in sole control of an allegedly "private" sector but then I'm not an economic historian so I might well be off base in that thinking.

Posted by AzCat 2009-05-06 16:53|| 2009-05-06 16:53|| Front Page Top

#5 Sounds right on the money, AzCat. :-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-05-06 18:11|| 2009-05-06 18:11|| Front Page Top

#6 "you all need to go on a diet anyway"

/Teleprompter Jesus

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-05-06 18:58|| 2009-05-06 18:58|| Front Page Top

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