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2003-05-26 India-Pakistan

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-05-26 01:19 pm|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Scott, you ask a good question but your answer is pretty crude. There would have to be a threshold beyond which hate speech becomes incitement to violence which would carry a punishment. What is the threshold and what is admissible evidence that the threshold has been crossed. These are not trivial questions. If we set the bars too high (which you rightly see as a danger), we endanger ourselves by allowing all manner of terrorists to initiate murder. Setting the bar too low, however, carries risks also.

Posted by mhw 2003-05-26 15:06:13|| 2003-05-26 15:06:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Islamic radicals have already attacked our citizens (WTC) and command and control (pentagon). Bush used the terminology 'war on terror'. Is it really war? Or just kind-of? We've discovered in the last 50 years how to win wars (GW1&2) and how to f - them up (nearly everything else) One of the things I thought we learned, was not to risk ground-holders when smart bullets will do. We abrogated the ABM treaty (and rightly so - witness Russia's overtures) and we need to discard the shielding of political targets. They have.

mhw - I think we're already at risk. I don't value the lives of our civilian leadership any more than our uniformed military. And if I read GWB correctly, neither does he. That could be a recent American distinctive, but if so, it's time we treated others in the same respect.

Posted by Scott 2003-05-26 15:43:28|| 2003-05-26 15:43:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Scott, here is an illustration of the risk of the low bar: it seems likely that all, or nearly all Wahabi true believers use hate speech and they all, or nearly all try to influence others to hate as well and many of them have actually committed murder or been accessories to murder. So do we kill each and every Wahabi. There are probably several thousand, maybe tens of thousands of Wahabis in the US. Many millions over the whole world?

Posted by mhw 2003-05-26 17:08:27|| 2003-05-26 17:08:27|| Front Page Top

#4 Scott,

Qazi, Fazl, Sami and Noorani are four powerful arguments in favor of a program of assassinations. Qazi's the biggest cheese of the lot - and they're all four pretty big physically, by the way; you eat well and often when you command the allegiance and the donations of hundreds of thousands, plus receiving regular "charitable assistance" from Soddy Arabia. Qazi has a vision of a subcontinental caliphate, stretching from Burma to Iran, with himself wearing the jewelled turban. He's the hidden hand behind the Kashmir jihad, and he's an absolutely humorless ideologue. Type in "qazi" in the search box, and if you think we're selective in what we post on him here, do a Google search on him. He's one bad boy.

Posted by Fred 2003-05-26 17:32:13|| 2003-05-26 17:32:13|| Front Page Top

#5 No. Just the ones in power. And the imams that give Quranic credibility to the murder of non-combatants. If we are gonna create martyrs, better to do it from the smaller pool. I actually believe civilization may catch up.
Take Pakistan. (Please!) Do you think Musharrif would shed any tears upon Qazi's demise? It's possible he's more realist than Islamist. I give him half a break being nest door to India. Would you wanna share a border with 1 billion nuclear armed hindus who believe you are less human than a cow? I believe that, behind the scenes, he might sanction certain hits. And so might the Saudis. They gotta be looking over their shoulders too.
Our questions are ones of morality. I don't believe they have any such burden.

Posted by Scott 2003-05-26 17:42:27|| 2003-05-26 17:42:27|| Front Page Top

#6 Fred, you're preaching to the choir.
I've had to come to grips with my own conscience on this stance. I liken it to being carnivorous. I eat the meat, could I kill the cow? If I couldn't, aren't I being hypocritical?
If I were a national leader, would I be willing to be a legitimate target? (Especially if I were willing to send other peoples' children to their possible deaths for the same ends.) And if I were willing to be a target, why would I not target avowed enemies, especially if it's gonna save many more lives in the long run. I do not believe those poor mopes in the slums of Lahore, Tehran, Damascus or Jenin are the enemy. The ones who motivate them to murder, are. I'm not just exercising some dang Marxian dialectic. It is the moral thing to do. So, could I do it. Yes. If I were commissioned and ordered by our C-in-C, I'm sure I could dispatch some tyrant, party or religious leader (or send someone better trained) and face my Lord over it. Any other stance, and we're back to hypocricy.

Posted by Scott 2003-05-26 18:18:16|| 2003-05-26 18:18:16|| Front Page Top

#7 I see no problems with popping the tops off those who are documented with running the Jihad Show. We take them at their word. Once they are removed you have taken the brain out and the body will follow. They have declared war, Jihad, and issued Fatwas for our destruction. They need to know how the action=>consequences thing works up front and personal, and then we will be able to bottom the rest of the masses out and maybe get on with reforms and some real human progress in the Middle Eastern Oil Patch.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-05-26 19:16:54|| 2003-05-26 19:16:54|| Front Page Top

#8 I agree,everyone of these buttwipes that preaches jihadi violence is a target and should be given a choice"Knock it off or die".
In addition everytime a terror strike is commited and orginazations such as CAIR,and AMSA do not loudly and publically condemn these attacks(with attendant Fatwas)should have thier offices targeted for police raids and closure.

Posted by Raptor 2003-05-27 08:45:37|| 2003-05-27 08:45:37|| Front Page Top

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