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2007-05-20 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Debka: Israel to turn to guerrilla tactics

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Posted by PlanetDan 2007-05-20 08:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 The English originated the use of counter-terror operations against the Irish Republican Army that was both ruthless and effective. Eventually, it was countered by identifying and assassinating the members of the counter-terror organization.

In this case, the Paleos will probably figure out how to set up observation posts, to quickly identify bands of Israelis entering their turf, then ambush them.

In the final analysis, the Israelis will lose, because this tactic only maintains the status quo--its objective is not to *win*, but to keep the Paleos from attacking.

Which is why I advocate above all developing a tactic that will eventually force an end to the violence, one way or another--even if it is very gradual.

As I've said before, taking land away from the Paleos, in a slow and systematic process, and in response to their violence, is one such means. It gives them no choice, either they stop with the violence, or eventually they have no land left.

It forces an end. But the Israelis seem to be incapable of envisioning a tactic like this; which damns them in the long run.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-05-20 08:50|| 2007-05-20 08:50|| Front Page Top

#2 The real strategic enemy is not Phakestinian guerilla expertise, not Iranian nuclear weaponry or even Saudi Orc ideology but "Western" "popular opinion" as manufactured by academic, media and celebrity-idiot elites. Unfortunately, Anonymoose, I think any gradualist approach strengthens those enemies.

In my opinion, a better approach is the Chinese one taken in Tibet. Move in, take everything, use whatever brutality is necessary, ban all media in Gaza, Judea and Samaria and Israel proper and disappear a few along the way to make the point, and commence mass expulsions under whatever pretext is necessary. Internicine Phakestinian conflict is always handy though I could also see a "dirty bomb" coming in real handy as a public health explanation for why the land is now unihabitable. Fifty years on and a blooming green Israeli Gaza national park will result. In the meantime, there will be outrage and protests and all the rest but with no cameras on the ground and an infected boil finally lanced the leftards would pay no more mind than to their supposed causes in East Timor, Darfur, Tibet, etc. of the moment.

Get in. Finish the job. Get out. Rinse and repeat in Lebanon, the "West Bank" and the rest.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-05-20 10:03|| 2007-05-20 10:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Roughly 3000 Caterpillar D-9s lined up abreast, pushing from the NE border of Gaza to the Egyptian border, moving at about one mph should solve the problem in about a day. Not sure how long it would take to collect the 3000 Corriedozers.
Gorilla rather than Guerrilla tactics.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-05-20 10:07|| 2007-05-20 10:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Back to the original counterterrorism plan, on Strategypage, they have an article about the US getting more RAID surveillance towers:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20070520.aspx

It seems to me that whatever ops Israel might conduct in Gaza, or defensibly against Gaza, setting up such observation towers around its perimeter would make it much harder for the bad guyz to set up their rocket launchers without detection and very accurate counter-battery fire even before they could launch.

And at 600k USD, it could be done very cheaply.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-05-20 11:22|| 2007-05-20 11:22|| Front Page Top

#5 #3: Roughly 3000 Caterpillar D-9s lined up abreast,

Add a hefty body of troops at both ends of the lines, (Think of a shape like a dumbbell) shoot those trying to go round the ends, and it'll work.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-05-20 12:26|| 2007-05-20 12:26|| Front Page Top

#6 The status quo Israel can preserve is Red on Red violence within Gaza. Debka or not, stirring that pot has a certain logic, especially if it can be done in a deniable manner. As we discussed the other day, it could be that the anarchy and internal bloodshed eventually leads to Egyptian and Jordanian control over the failed Paleo 'state' which might actually lead to improvement in the situation in the region.

Posted by JAB 2007-05-20 13:09|| 2007-05-20 13:09|| Front Page Top

#7 that begs the question - how many 9D's have been built?

Posted by 3dc 2007-05-20 13:51|| 2007-05-20 13:51|| Front Page Top

#8 "Israel to turn to guerrilla tactics"

Israel have been using guerrilla tactics for years. I wonder what made Israel think that they can take a vacation in the first place.

I hear that one of the side effects of the Kadima Cream spread liberally is, temporary blindness.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2007-05-20 14:17|| 2007-05-20 14:17|| Front Page Top

#9 "According to DEBKAfiles intelligence sources"

Which consist of a ouiji board, some tea leaves, chicken bones, goat guts, a stopped clock and a fortune cookie from Mr. Chau's.

Posted by crosspatch 2007-05-20 14:20|| 2007-05-20 14:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Hey, 3dc, I googled that possibility and I got a bunch of paleo sympathetic hits on Gaza, West bank, et al. go figure.....

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-05-20 14:24|| 2007-05-20 14:24|| Front Page Top

#11 It won't take more than about 20 D-9s, if you use some napalm and he to clear the way. Push everything into the Med at two or three strategic points and build an "instant harbor" while you're at it. Shoot them, drive them out, crush them, eliminate them any way you can. Every time a US congresscritter or bleeding heart enters the scene, make sure they have an "accident". Screw world opinion - it's already against Israel anyway. Push the gazan arabs into Egypt, the west-bank idiots into Jordan, Syria, or Soddy aRabida. Lebanon's got enough woes, and will be a project for next spring.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-05-20 14:53|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-05-20 14:53|| Front Page Top

#12 The return of bar el TW.

Posted by Shipman">Shipman 2007-05-20 15:13|| 2007-05-20 15:13|| Front Page Top

#13 Whatever keeps the Palestinians killing each other is a good thing. However, merely preserving the status quo is a very bad thing. Just as the West is having to realize about Islam in general, so Israel must learn that only disproportionate retaliation has any effect upon the Muslim mind. They must be made to feel our pain. Short of Old Patriot's solution, which I heartily approve of, 'moose's land deprivation policy is the only one that will yield results. The Palestinians must be made to feel Israel's pain in a big way.

Watching their own infant nation slowly getting strangled in the crib represents one of the only ways to convince them regarding the error of their ways. Should they, as ever, prove completely immune to logic, the final result will be no Palestinian nation and forcible displacement of their population. Given the Palestinians' history of complete and total immunity to reason, Old Patriot's method or 'moose's, both have the same net result, which is why I'd just as soon see the first option put to use and be done with it. This death-of-a-thousand-papercuts grows wearisome. Which is just another lesson the West must learn as well.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-20 16:16|| 2007-05-20 16:16|| Front Page Top

#14 I see genocide is picking up popularity.
It's not such a bad word after all.

Posted by wxjames 2007-05-20 18:26|| 2007-05-20 18:26|| Front Page Top

#15 As said long ago, as long as the Left + anti-US aqendists want anti-US OWG-SWO, which inevitably will also be anti-Western, the USA must be prepared to stand and fight for its interests alone. SO ALSO MUST ISRAEL, OR ANY OTHER ALLY(S), WID OUT THE US-EUROPE. The IDF's focii must be to prepare for Missle-and Nuke-armed Iran and other hostile Muslim nations. ISRAEL TO IMPROVE ITS CHANCES MUST EITHER TAKE OVER GAZA-WEST BANK, OR IN THE ALTERN SEAL OFF BOTH AREAS WID STRONG FORTIFIED WALLS. As long as the Paleos are seek war = destruction of Israel BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and are tacitly unable to govern themselves, Israel must prioritize itself. FRENCH PLANNING, FORECASTING AND POLITIX DEFEATED THE MAGINOT LINE LONG BEFORE HITLER'S WEHRMACHT - all the Germans did was exploit weaknesses = holes that were already there.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-05-20 19:27|| 2007-05-20 19:27|| Front Page Top

#16 I see genocide is picking up popularity.

It's not "genocide", wxjames. There's happens to be some people that just plain need killin'. The Palestinians have been clamoring to be included in that category for several decades now.

With each passing day, more and more Muslims push their way into that group as well. The case against Islam is both clear cut and also does not embrace the concept of genocide. Islam is composed of Arabs, Malays, Africans, Pashtuns and a host of other ethnicities whereby it is not a specific race of people whose elimination is being sought. The sheer numbers involved make it easy to confuse with previous historical genocides, but the continuing and enduring threat that Islam presents to the civilized world make its eventual extermination literally guaranteed. I would like to think that there is some way to avoid such a vast loss of human life. Every day, its seems as though Muslims seek to prove me wrong.

Whether it is 9-11, Bali, 7-7, Madrid, throwing acid in the faces of three and five year-old girls, leaving infants inside a detonating car bomb or herding young girls back into a burning building, the laundry list of atrocities committed by Muslims grows on a daily basis, with no end in sight. Each time you think that Islam cannot outdo its own vicious brutality, it rises to the hideous challenge and devises yet another ghastly affront to all human sensibilities.

There must be and will be an end to it. Islam is wholly dedicated to placing itself at odds with the entire non-Muslim world. Like a compass needle irresistably drags itself to magnetic north, Islam's own doctrine inexorably draws it to the tipping point. Nothing indicates otherwise whatsoever and everything to date stands as irrefutable proof that Islam is determined against doing anything that would avert its resolute march towards oblivion's precipice. Genocide has absolutely nothing to do with this, simple self-preservation does.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-20 19:54|| 2007-05-20 19:54|| Front Page Top

#17 Civilzation has the responsibility and ability to do what it must to retain social compacts. Certain peoples and groups violate that compact. They should be removed from the gene pool. Paleos are just such a group. Can you name a Paleo contribution, besides Airline hi-jackings? That was an Arafat specialty. How about explosive vests? Another Paleo specialty, since franchised. They are a blot on the mideast, useful to the Arab supremacists while they could tweak the Jooos and keep their oppressed pops distracted...I expect them to continue to be marginalized and radicalized until they dissolve themselves from the gene pool. So much hatred, so much shameless welfare, can't continue without outside help

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-05-20 20:15|| 2007-05-20 20:15|| Front Page Top

#18 #14
Civilization is not a suicide pact, wxjames. Right now the only choice Paleos, and Arabs in general, leave to Israel is the choice of who is going to become extinct.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-05-20 21:25|| 2007-05-20 21:25|| Front Page Top

#19 Right now the only choice ~~Paleos, and Arabs in general~~ Muslims, leave to ~~Israel~~ the Infidel is the choice of who is going to become extinct.

There, fixed that for you, gg.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-20 21:50|| 2007-05-20 21:50|| Front Page Top

#20 Gracias, amigo.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-05-20 22:39|| 2007-05-20 22:39|| Front Page Top

#21 Set-up radar controlled counter batteries. Anything comes in from Gaza or the West Bank - send something back.

Posted by DMFD 2007-05-20 22:48|| 2007-05-20 22:48|| Front Page Top

#22 #14: "I see genocide is picking up popularity."

It has been for decades, wx.

Among the paleos and their enablers - against the Israelis.

Or did you think their motto of Kill all the Jews™ meant something else?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2007-05-20 23:21|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2007-05-20 23:21|| Front Page Top

#23 Roughly 3000 Caterpillar D-9s lined up abreast, pushing from the NE border of Gaza to the Egyptian border,

Over my dead body.

[Hey! I didn't mean it!]

Posted by Rachel Corrie">Rachel Corrie 2007-05-20 23:28|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2007-05-20 23:28|| Front Page Top

#24 SPOT-EFFING-ON, Barbara. Cut to the chase, lady!

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-20 23:35|| 2007-05-20 23:35|| Front Page Top

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