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2007-05-18 India-Pakistan

PM calls for adopting collective self-defence for Muslim states

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Posted by Fred 2007-05-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 I believe you ought to go one step further if you could get along for two minutes. Form an Islamic Union. Just copy the EU. That saves us a lot of time. We can preprogram all your major cities and launch counter strikes against all you sand fleas at once if just one of you steps out of line.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter2970 2007-05-18 01:17|| 2007-05-18 01:17|| Front Page Top

#2 Masterful inline, Fred. Just the very thought of a Muslim NATO-style alliance is enough to induce hysterical laughter. Exactly who would hold the "two keys"? As always, my best and favorite oxymoron: Arab Unity.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-18 01:39|| 2007-05-18 01:39|| Front Page Top

#3 No surprise that the leading state sponsor of terrorism - Pakistan - wants other countries to shield it from the consequences of its actions. My feeling is that other Muslim countries will just say no. Who the heck wants to get bombed by India or the US for Pakistan's sins?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-05-18 01:59|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-05-18 01:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Zhang Fei

I would put Saudi and Iran as the main terrorist state sponsors.Pakistan/Hamas and Hezbollah are just their operating arms!!!!!

Posted by Ebbolump Glomotle9608 2007-05-18 06:13|| 2007-05-18 06:13|| Front Page Top

#5 There are a number of things at work here.

Pakistan has always sought an "external balancer" to supply the weapons and money it needed to maintain the fiction of being a "rival" to India.
This is very important to the Pak psyche. To be less then India is to negate the very basis of partition and the creation of the Pakistani state, the promise of muslim rule over the Indian subcontinent.

At different times Pak has sought help from the US, China, the UN, the OIC and the Saudis against India. They have repeatedly asked for external mediators in the India-Pak dispute.
They have suggested an Arab oil embargo to compel India to surrender Kashmir. They have called for UN sanctions. They have called on the OIC to expel Indian workers.
After the 1998 nuclear tests, Benazir Bhutto called for NATO to bomb India.

Now that the coalition in Afghanistan is faced with Pak duplicity and support of terrorism at first hand there is the need to balance not only India but now the US.

Another part of the Pak psyche is the fiction that Pakistan is a "Citadel of Islam" - Islam is in danger from the Kufr and they will defend it. This is important in mobilizing the Pak masses to support the state. They seek to recreate their imagined martial prowess in order to compensate for the loss of muslim political and economic power in the Indian subcontinent.

Members of the Pak elite like to claim they are "ashraf" - descendants of the prophet Mohammed and thus superior in status to other muslim. They fabricate Central Asian ancestry as well. This is a compensatory tactic because Arabs, especially since the oil booms, tend to be quite comptemptuous of non-arab muslims from the subcontinent, those who clean their homes, toilets, perform manual labor.
As anyone who has worked in the mid-east will tell you, many Arabs don't even think them real muslims.

Paks like to imagine themselves as the sword arm of Islam. This gives them a place in the muslim order not at the very bottom.

Occasionally the Saudis will humor them in this regard. Last week the imam of the grand mosque in Mecca, addressing a group of Pakistanis, called them the "citadel of Islam", defenders possessing a weapon the West was afraid of.

Posted by John Frum 2007-05-18 06:17|| 2007-05-18 06:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Those inline comments were devastatingly insightful.

Just one thing to add:

Aziz said the Muslim states should support national aspirations of both the energy exporters and importers within the OIC and they should develop a strategy for energy security of member states.

Let's throw in some political cover for Iran's nuclear program while we're at it!

Posted by Knuckles Thromoling6063 2007-05-18 06:52|| 2007-05-18 06:52|| Front Page Top

#7 support national aspirations of both the energy exporters and importers within the OIC

Aziz wants the Saudis and Kuwaitis to continue to supply Pakistan with free oil.

Posted by John Frum 2007-05-18 07:00|| 2007-05-18 07:00|| Front Page Top

#8 The PM condemned terrorism in all its forms and stressed for conveying the true message of Islam.

Is it just me, or is that an oxymoron?

Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-05-18 07:39|| 2007-05-18 07:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Saudi Wahabbists defending the Shi'a, who they consider heretics worse than infidels . . . Iranians defending their mortal ethnic enemies the Arabs, and vice-versa . . . oh, yeah, that'll work!

Posted by Mike 2007-05-18 09:24|| 2007-05-18 09:24|| Front Page Top

#10 To be less then India is to negate the very basis of partition and the creation of the Pakistani state, the promise of muslim rule over the Indian subcontinent.

If you step back from the day to day and look at the big picture, India and China have become the new lands of opportunity. The bright young college kids with big dreams head off to Asia and India. Islam is a 7th Century religion that is coming face to face with the technology of the 21st century and it can't deal with it. Its core nature which focuses on domination, humiliation, revenge, subjugation of women etc. was able to exist when they were "over there" and we were "over here", but the free flow of information in the technological age allows their young to have access to the modern world and they want a piece of it.

Their only hope to remain in the 7th Century is to conquer the world and throw us all back there. They won't succeed of course, but they will kill millions to avoid admitting the fact that their culture is inferior to any other.

Posted by Angaiger Tojo1904 2007-05-18 09:28|| 2007-05-18 09:28|| Front Page Top

#11 I'm all for this. It allows group targeting.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-05-18 09:40|| 2007-05-18 09:40|| Front Page Top

#12 We shall enhance the capacity of Islamic countries to defend them against external domination and foreign aggression by acquiring the means for effective and collective self-defence.

So would this be nukes? Are they going to harness their tremendous technological capabilities? Increase their development of aircraft, ships, and tanks? I guess the answer is no. This must mean bankrolling terrorism.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-05-18 10:12|| 2007-05-18 10:12|| Front Page Top

#13 Aziz emphasised cooperation in education and science and technology and called for intensifying scientific research in the Muslim countries.

I think science and technology are big, big problems for these people. They need education for it and the more educated their people become the more they will question the sham of Islam and all the fairy tales about Mohammed. Educated people will demand democracy which is a direct threat to the control currently exerted by the muslim despots and clerics. Just think how many Christians still have problems with Darwin's theory of evolution and then try to tell muslims that they are descended from apes. Education, science and technology are incompatible with Islam.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-05-18 12:26|| 2007-05-18 12:26|| Front Page Top

#14 As long as they're prepared to accept collective punishment for whatever rabid nutbag lobs a nuke, have at it.

Posted by mojo">mojo 2007-05-18 12:27|| 2007-05-18 12:27|| Front Page Top

#15 Is it just me, or is that an oxymoron?

Nah, bigjim, Aziz is just a regular moron. But you're right, the true message of Islam is terrorism. Without it they'd be powerless against the West.

As long as they're prepared to accept collective punishment for whatever rabid nutbag lobs a nuke, have at it.

Word, mojo.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-05-18 14:08|| 2007-05-18 14:08|| Front Page Top

#16 Educated people will demand democracy which is a direct threat to the control currently exerted by the muslim despots and clerics.

Educated?
Like Osama bin Laden? - Public Administration
Like Ayman Al Zawahiri? - Pediatric Surgeon
Like Mohammed Atta ? - Architect
Like Saeed Omar Sheik? - Economics
Like Anisa Andrabi ? - Biology

Andrabi's Duktran-e-Millat doesn't care much for democracy.. her girls want burqa and sharia law... all are educated, some with Masters degrees

Posted by John Frum 2007-05-18 16:03|| 2007-05-18 16:03|| Front Page Top

#17 They can call it "The Alliance of Targets"...

Posted by tu3031 2007-05-18 17:04|| 2007-05-18 17:04|| Front Page Top

#18 SecDef Gates just said the same thing as per Japan [GMD-TMD], and left open-ended the possibility of other Nations joing in. OTOH, KOMMERSANT/WORLDNEWS > unless I've missed something, RUSSIA is actually criticizing the Euros for NOT formally implementing the EU = EU-style, pan-Nation, Govt-Trade structures.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-05-18 22:22|| 2007-05-18 22:22|| Front Page Top

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