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2005-05-13 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Steve 2005-05-13 9:09:09 AM|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 For quail hunting, when your goldie is giving you "that look" that sez you missed again moron.

Posted by Shipman 2005-05-13 09:32|| 2005-05-13 09:32|| Front Page Top

#2 OK ... my Christmas list is complete!

Posted by legolas 2005-05-13 09:41|| 2005-05-13 09:41|| Front Page Top

#3 Say "Hello" to my little friend.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-05-13 09:55|| 2005-05-13 09:55|| Front Page Top

#4 If it'll shoot 300 rounds a minute, give me a 300 round mag, please.

And, aren't we using shotguns as doorbusters? Seems to me I recall reading that.

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2005-05-13 10:11|| http://blog.simmins.org]">[http://blog.simmins.org] 2005-05-13 10:11|| Front Page Top

#5 Piney Flats is only about 20 miles from me. I think I'll make a visit, see if they'll give me a tour.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-05-13 10:16|| 2005-05-13 10:16|| Front Page Top

#6 Not that I really care, but doesn't the Geneva Convention prohibit the military use of shotguns?

Posted by Captain Pedantic 2005-05-13 10:53|| 2005-05-13 10:53|| Front Page Top

#7 No. During WW1, the Germans tried to get the shotgun banned because American infantry were effectively using them to clear trenches. The War Dept. basically told the Germans to get bent. The US has used shotguns in all conflicts since.

Posted by ed 2005-05-13 11:06|| 2005-05-13 11:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Redifining the term"handcannon".I don't think so,CP.

Posted by raptor 2005-05-13 11:18|| 2005-05-13 11:18|| Front Page Top

#9 baboom baby!

Posted by legolas 2005-05-13 11:24|| 2005-05-13 11:24|| Front Page Top

#10 Holeeee SH*T! Sounds like something coming out of a Duke Nukem Sequel planning session!

Now, where was THIS little baby when Master Chief was slogging through The Flood?

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2005-05-13 12:41|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2005-05-13 12:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Can I get my 10-gauge double-barrel upgraded? I want to go bear hunting again...

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-05-13 14:08|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-05-13 14:08|| Front Page Top

#12 I remember reading about the development of automatic shotguns at least 10 years ago (maybe even 15). I believe they were referred to as "streetsweepers". Hadn't heard about them since (until just now). Was there a snag in the technology, or just no demand/use for them?

Posted by docob 2005-05-13 14:23|| 2005-05-13 14:23|| Front Page Top

#13 It was probably more like 20 years ago, now that I think about it. Getting old sucks, but, like they say, it beats the alternative. =)

Posted by docob 2005-05-13 14:39|| 2005-05-13 14:39|| Front Page Top

#14 Back when I ran "The Morrow Project" (a paper & pencil RPG), we liked the Atchison Assault shotgun, called it the "Room Broom". I dont know if this is the next generation, but it certainly sould like a close sibling.

Posted by Trub 2005-05-13 15:17|| 2005-05-13 15:17|| Front Page Top

#15 Docob - "street sweepers" generally refer to shotguns with a 12 round cylindrical mag. I think they are classified as a Class 3 gun (same as a machine gun) - thanks Bill Clinton. They've been around for a while but without a proper FFL, you can't have one without a little visit from the ATF.

Ed is right - in my outfit shotguns were the weapon of choice for corpsmen. We had them cut down to a very short barrel and fashion pistol style grip stocks for them. Short, light and effective.

Posted by Doc8404 2005-05-13 16:10|| 2005-05-13 16:10|| Front Page Top

#16 There is a video of this thing floating around some place. It's pretty neat. I really think the development of alternate rounds for the shotguns is the bigger thing. With these even your venreable Mosburg is massivly improved.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-05-13 17:18|| 2005-05-13 17:18|| Front Page Top

#17 I thought that shotguns violated the Geneva Convention. (I'm not joking.)

Posted by Steven Den Beste">Steven Den Beste 2005-05-13 17:46|| http://denbeste.nu/Chizumatic/]">[http://denbeste.nu/Chizumatic/] 2005-05-13 17:46|| Front Page Top

#18 Negative, SDB. See ed's reply above.

In fact, I just saw a 12 gauge used as a lockbuster on TV last night. The guy using it was a little sloppy. It took him three rounds to bust the lockset up enough to kick the door in, but it worked, and worked quickly.

If I had to fight in a city a 12 gauge would be my first choice.

Posted by Parabellum 2005-05-13 18:01|| 2005-05-13 18:01|| Front Page Top

#19 It's hard to see how shotguns would be verboten, given the XM1028 120mm Canister Tank Cartridge for the Abrams tank:

"...the XM1028 is, in effect, a 120mm shotgun shell. But it's no ordinary shotgun shell, for sure: a typical OO buckshot round 2 Â¾" long contains 9 pellets. But the XM1028 cartridge contains 1,100 tungsten steel balls that are expelled and immediately begin dispersing once they exit the cannon muzzle..."

I want one for my birthday.

Posted by Dave D. 2005-05-13 18:45|| 2005-05-13 18:45|| Front Page Top

#20 nothing sez "you lose" like 1100 tungsten balls turning you into a sieve

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-05-13 19:00|| 2005-05-13 19:00|| Front Page Top

#21 When my son was over there he said this little gadget did a pretty good job, too.

Posted by Dave D. 2005-05-13 19:21|| 2005-05-13 19:21|| Front Page Top

#22 Shotguns are not banned by the Hague or Geneva accords.

The Hague Convention's Article 23(e) of the Annex, states that it shall be unlawful "To employ arms, projectiles or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering. This was adopted by the Geneva Treaties.

Accordingly, the use of the shotgun depends upon the motive of the shot employed and its effect on a soft target. The use of an unjacketed lead bullet is now considered a violation of the laws of war. The use of shotgun projectiles sufficiently jacketed to prevent expansion or flattening upon penetration of a human body and shot cartridges with chilled shot regular in shape would not constitute violations of the laws of war. More here.

Posted by phil_b 2005-05-13 19:40|| 2005-05-13 19:40|| Front Page Top

#23 It would be nice, though, to get something better than the M-4 and the 5.56mm rifle round as a standard infantry weapon.

Say, something like the Grendel, or the 6.8, being shot from an XM-8...

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-05-13 23:29|| http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]">[http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2005-05-13 23:29|| Front Page Top

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