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2006-05-03 Iraq

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Posted by Steve 2006-05-03 10:07|| || Front Page|| [11124 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Lets let the lawyers and "experts" at the five sided puzzle palace first examine the ROE of the enemy. That might be a good place to begin.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-05-03 11:50|| 2006-05-03 11:50|| Front Page Top

#2 This is where I think the chickenhawk argument has traction. If you haven't served, you shouldn't be writing ROE.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-05-03 12:23|| 2006-05-03 12:23|| Front Page Top

#3 Hey N.S., That's the PROBLEM....Some of JACKASSES have served(looooooong time ago)and have absolutely "0" knowledge of todays tactics or have even studied what the enemy we're up against believes in.I wish someone in the pentagon would take the time and explain to these doddering old fools that these people want to KILL the non-beleivers.(sorry, ranting)

Posted by ARMYGUY 2006-05-03 12:44|| 2006-05-03 12:44|| Front Page Top

#4 This is a perennial problem for us. F#$&ing military lawyers. We need to get their sorry asses out on more combat patrols, so they will have a better idea of the environment we are in.

IIRC, when I arrived the 1st ROE card I was issued was a 3 x 5 with 5 or 6 10pt. font bullets on it. It kept getting longer with each edition. By the time I rotated back, it was 2 8.5 x 11 pages of single space text. The funny part was, it all boiled down to:
"Defend your self. Make sure you have a convincing story on why you shot Hajji if you are asked. God have mercy on you if you make the front pages of the NYT, 'cause we are going to make fried scape goat out of your ass. We are in no way to be held accountable for your decisions and actions."

Posted by N guard 2006-05-03 12:48|| 2006-05-03 12:48|| Front Page Top

#5 ROE.# 1IF THE MUTHERFUCKER HAS A GUN THEN SHOOT HIM

Posted by Greamp Elmavinter1163 2006-05-03 13:33|| 2006-05-03 13:33|| Front Page Top

#6 "But in many parts of central Iraq, the Sunni Arabs are not happy about their man Saddam being out of power, and do not like the Americans at all. "

Is this up to date with the current political situation? Im not saying the ROEs should be tighter, maybe they SHOULD be looser, its just ive been reading Strategypage for a while, and they are not a helluvalot more reliable then say Debka. And I say that as someone who admires Jim Dunnigans work alot.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2006-05-03 15:14|| 2006-05-03 15:14|| Front Page Top

#7 I thought this was a rerun from late 2003...

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-05-03 15:19|| 2006-05-03 15:19|| Front Page Top

#8 Once again, I use the argument that changes in ROE is an inevitability the closer Iraq gets to peace and civilian rule. With a smaller and smaller percentage of the military actively fighting each day, the vast majority of soldiers have to behave themselves so as not to piss off "the grandmothers".

Remember that we hope to evolve the situation into something like post-WWII Germany, with a Status of Forces agreement, smiles all around, and some towns lucky enough to be near a military base getting an economic boom faster than the rest of the country. This is in our major strategic interest.

Eventually, our soldiers are going to be walking the streets of Iraq without weapons, and if something happens, their first inclination will be to call an Iraqi cop. It sure doesn't feel it, at first, but it is a good thing, assuming it is done carefully.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-05-03 16:48|| 2006-05-03 16:48|| Front Page Top

#9 When we ran convoys any hajji vehicle that got too close took a green star cluster to the wind shield. If that didn't slow them up then we opened fire on their engine block and then the driver's compartment. Unfortunately for them sometimes not in that order. I always told my Marines it's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Nobody wants to whack a civilian by mistake but if some iraqi's are too stupid after 3 years of war not to stay the hell away from our vehicles then I say let the cleaning up of the gene pool begin. (plus, you have to remember each of our vehicles have placards across their tailgate's stating "stay back 50 meters deadly force authorized" in arabic)

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-05-03 22:10|| 2006-05-03 22:10|| Front Page Top

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