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2005-05-02 Home Front: WoT
Spain could be European base for US special forces
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Posted by seafarious 2005-05-02 8:53:44 AM|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Sticks. Carrots. Pick one, Spain - but this offer expires shortly.
Posted by too true 2005-05-02 9:13:00 AM||   2005-05-02 9:13:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#2  It's a wrong answer. One point of failure in case of a suitcase nuke or biological attack. (IMHO)

Considering the cost of security/operational loss, time and money to replace those special types of troops.
Posted by 98zulu 2005-05-02 9:13:11 AM||   2005-05-02 9:13:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 This would be the same Spain that yanked their troops out of Iraq from sheer spite, immediately following their election? The same Spain that voted in the dhimmi opposition in response to the 3/11 passenger train bombing? I assume that if the Special Forces are to be based there, that they will wear their special invisibility paint... and use the same to paint the entire base, so as not to upset tender Spanish sensibilities.
Posted by  trailing wife 2005-05-02 9:17:08 AM||   2005-05-02 9:17:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 What a dumb idea.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 9:18:08 AM||   2005-05-02 9:18:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 What's wrong with Italy? They're more centrally located and don't have a Vichy government.
Posted by Jackal  2005-05-02 9:33:34 AM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2005-05-02 9:33:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I agree having them all in one place is a bad idea.

Also - why not base them with one of our allies? This is almost as dumb as basing them in France or Turkey.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-05-02 9:43:38 AM||   2005-05-02 9:43:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 " somewhere in southern Europe to "confront the emerging threats in eastern Europe, the Caucasus and in a large part of Africa."

Therefore Spain? Inane.

Croatians were selling islands in Adriatic sea for peanuts. There may be something available to buy or lease.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-05-02 9:57:50 AM||   2005-05-02 9:57:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 ..at its base at Rota, near Cadiz in southern Spain.

Uhhh, no. Find another place.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-05-02 10:03:54 AM||   2005-05-02 10:03:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Maybe this is another iteration of the "fly paper" strategy - station troops in an enemy country to draw out the opposition.
Posted by BH 2005-05-02 10:22:10 AM||   2005-05-02 10:22:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 This only makes sense if the operations are going to be in Spain or against Spain. Not that we would ever consider such a thing.
Posted by Matt 2005-05-02 10:28:55 AM||   2005-05-02 10:28:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 This is absurd. Our operations in Africa are trivial compared to those in the theater that really matters, the middle east. In almost every other case our European forward deloyments are moving east, from Germany to Romania and Bulgaria for instance. Why would we move these particular forces west?

What is the source for this tripe?
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-05-02 10:53:17 AM||   2005-05-02 10:53:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Is the source for this the Greater Andalusian Development Council?
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-05-02 10:54:03 AM||   2005-05-02 10:54:03 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Juan TROLL 2005-05-02 12:01:55 PM||   2005-05-02 12:01:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I think most of the comments here miss a dimension of this story. In a lot of countries like France and Spain, the military are measurably more supportive of the US than their governments or public opinion shaped by government-owned media.

The possibility of being around and perhaps training with elite Special Forces will have value to the Spanish military. This is the "carrot" portion of the scenario. I personally haven't written off Spain as an ally ... just this government.

Oh ... and just because we have a lot of troops / bases going east doesn't mean we shouldn't retain a serious rapid-deployment capability in the west of Europe, especially given what is going on in the horn of Africa and elsewhere there.
Posted by too true 2005-05-02 1:25:17 PM||   2005-05-02 1:25:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Juan try something weird? Comments seemed fine.

Hang in the Juan.
Posted by Shipman 2005-05-02 2:08:55 PM||   2005-05-02 2:08:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Definately a dumb idea.

Spain is selling arms to Chavez in Venezuela and sucking up to Castro.Until there is a change of government, Spain is not our friend.

Italy is the place to be.
Posted by Juan 2005-05-02 12:01:55 PM|| [http://mojacarhawk.blogspot.com]  2005-05-02 12:01:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 too true: Horn of Africa's east of the easternmost EU state. Unless AQ recently made the Azores its principal staging ground, it makes little sense to move our troops so close to the Atlantic.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-05-02 2:35:33 PM||   2005-05-02 2:35:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 2:59:21 PM||   2005-05-02 2:59:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 GG2496 comments via Oxford, England.
Posted by one of the moderators 2005-05-02 3:12:19 PM||   2005-05-02 3:12:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:15:36 PM||   2005-05-02 3:15:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 All these countries have civilian controlled militaries. What the militaries think is irrelevant. In fact, the militaries should start to get the message loud and clear that we are prepared to write them off if their countries go dhimmi.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 3:19:24 PM||   2005-05-02 3:19:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Fear not GG2496.
Posted by Tkat 2005-05-02 3:23:36 PM||   2005-05-02 3:23:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 GG2496. Why so sensitive about having an ISP in Oxford? Couldn't get into Cambridge?
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 3:24:54 PM||   2005-05-02 3:24:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:28:09 PM||   2005-05-02 3:28:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:29:31 PM||   2005-05-02 3:29:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 But I would just like to mention that shortly we will have a EU Army

Yeah - heres the flag the EU Army will march under...

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2005-05-02 3:33:15 PM||   2005-05-02 3:33:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Better tell him. He is Bwitish...
Posted by tu3031 2005-05-02 3:33:44 PM||   2005-05-02 3:33:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 1. Newspapers are always speculating. take this as such
2. OTOH, who says we are going to have only ONE spec forces base? I thought the whole direction was towards larger numbers of smaller bases. In that context, a spec ops base in Spain, for west and northwest Africa makes sense, and is quite compatible with also having other spec ops bases further east.

3. I am not glad that Spain no longer with us in Iraq. They are not there to help the Iraqi people in their march to democracy. But that doesnt ipso facto make them would be "dhimmis".
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-05-02 3:33:56 PM||   2005-05-02 3:33:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:41:42 PM||   2005-05-02 3:41:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 I'm Bwitish nothing frightens me. But I would just like to mention that shortly we will have a EU Army,which will only operate outside the EU with the approval of the UN (real approval of course) we don't need foreign troops on our soil.

Make sure you all bring plenty of white flags. Wouldn't want you all to run out or anything.

This forum seems a little right wing and out of touch with reality.

Then clarify your reality, rather than express a sense of disdian, or is that too far out of reality for you?
Posted by badanov  2005-05-02 3:45:51 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2005-05-02 3:45:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 watch it - he's got a fork EU Army!
Posted by Frank G 2005-05-02 3:46:14 PM||   2005-05-02 3:46:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 GG2496 you needn't be so twitchy as it suggests fear of one sort or another. The thought of an "EU" army to operate outside the EU and only with "real" UN approval sounds out of touch with reality. Ah well, Oxford is nice enough whereas the countryside surrounding it is quite beautiful. Which institution do you attend?
Posted by Tkat 2005-05-02 3:47:16 PM||   2005-05-02 3:47:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:52:13 PM||   2005-05-02 3:52:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:54:21 PM||   2005-05-02 3:54:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Don't they teach html skills at Oxford or are they too busy teaching you how to cater to France?
Posted by Yosemite Sam 2005-05-02 3:55:16 PM||   2005-05-02 3:55:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 not twitchy...bitchy. Thanks for the history rewrite. I can only guess you are an "Academician"..Tenured? You'll fit right in...
Posted by Frank G 2005-05-02 3:55:31 PM||   2005-05-02 3:55:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 3:56:35 PM||   2005-05-02 3:56:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 Enjoy being protected by an army that needs Kofi's permission to defend you, GG2496.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 3:59:02 PM||   2005-05-02 3:59:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Question - What makes Juan a troll? Looks like GG 2496 is suffering from the typical LLL mental disorder. Why not her/him?
Posted by SR-71 2005-05-02 4:02:40 PM||   2005-05-02 4:02:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Another day of insurgent violence left at least 11 people dead and 23 wounded in three car bomb attacks in Baghdad today

If Spain had stayed and lost more men this would not have happened.
Posted by juriseqs 2005-05-02 4:02:42 PM||   2005-05-02 4:02:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 4:03:28 PM||   2005-05-02 4:03:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 1. i very much doubt all that many people in the EU, or just about anyone in the UK, wants to give up their national militaries.
2. In the unlikely event they did, the EU would undoubtedly use it in their own perceived interest, without regard to UNSC votes. I point to Kosovo, which had support from all european NATO members, despite lack of a UNSC resolution.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-05-02 4:04:48 PM||   2005-05-02 4:04:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 4:05:10 PM||   2005-05-02 4:05:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 EU Army,which will only operate outside the EU with the approval of the UN (real approval of course)

So its not really the EU's Army, its an army funded and manned by the EU and controlled by the UN, and we all know how dependable, honest and trustworthy the UN is.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2005-05-02 4:06:19 PM||   2005-05-02 4:06:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 The Brits have 2 soveriegn bases on Cyprus which are legally part of the UK. US forces are already stationed there - a small USAF reconnaisance unit. It would seem to me to be a better choice. The downside is it will upset both the Greeks and the Turks, or maybe thats a feature?
Posted by phil_b 2005-05-02 4:06:54 PM||   2005-05-02 4:06:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Neville would be so proud of you GG. Nazis and Islamists have butt buddies since 1939. So I can see where you would be insensed that a Nazi-inspired, Stalinist-influenced, >1,000,000 murdering, cult-of-personality dictatorship has been overthrown and the Iraqis given a chance for a democratic government.

So which are you, a Nazi or Islamist? Or are you a sore loser Marxist who thinks a 100 million body count the last century is not enough? Still gotta break a few more eggs for that utopian omlette?

None of the commenters at Rantburg worry about the EU army rampaging outside of western Europe (unless to run away). They are going to have their hands full with the head choppers in Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin and London.
Posted by ed 2005-05-02 4:10:48 PM||   2005-05-02 4:10:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 SR, It's been a bit boring around here without AK. I thought GG was his replacement.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 4:12:55 PM||   2005-05-02 4:12:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Thanks, Mrs. D. LOL
Posted by SR-71 2005-05-02 4:15:37 PM||   2005-05-02 4:15:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 4:16:01 PM||   2005-05-02 4:16:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 "I thought GG was his replacement."

AK was intelligent and informed, though intensely irritating and immature. This fellow is just dull-witted.
Posted by Sneting Angavique2705 2005-05-02 4:17:36 PM||   2005-05-02 4:17:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by Gromons Gloper2496 TROLL 2005-05-02 4:22:27 PM||   2005-05-02 4:22:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 At least two of these groups will be ready to deploy at 15 days� notice to humanitarian or peacekeeping emergencies, primarily in Africa.

Perhaps there will still be somebody alive in Darfur to rescue by then. If not, the Balkans should need them by then; that was an all Euro show, wasn't it GG?
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 4:23:17 PM||   2005-05-02 4:23:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 Oh, no! Not the dreaded Depleted Uranium!
Haven't heard that one in a couple of weeks...
Posted by tu3031 2005-05-02 4:23:46 PM||   2005-05-02 4:23:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 BRITAIN is to commit more than 2,000 troops to a new 18,000-strong European Union army

We've got high schools bigger than that. Better armed, too.

At least two of these groups will be ready to deploy at 15 days’ notice to humanitarian or peacekeeping emergencies, primarily in Africa.

Wow. Fifteen days' notice? Is that AFTER the UN finishes its planning meetings, or DURING the UN planning meetings? Because after the tsunami, while the UN was still trying to plan the meetings to plan the meetings to plan how they were going to take credit for the relief effort, the US and Australia (India, too, I believe) had already put men and equipment in place to help.

And it was there in less than 15 days.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2005-05-02 4:24:27 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-05-02 4:24:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 Maybe these nations would approve us using them so that the vaunted EU Army could hitch a ride from the USAF to go wherever it is the UN has approved them to go? Or will the UN air force handle that?
Posted by tu3031 2005-05-02 4:40:49 PM||   2005-05-02 4:40:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 a new 18,000-strong European Union army

Since when is 18,000 an "army?" Sounds more like a weak division with no ability to get anywhere without US sea/air transport.

They could always buy Eurail passes and ride to the Islamic riots in Paris or Amsterdam, though.
Posted by Laurence of the Rats  2005-05-02 4:42:36 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/]  2005-05-02 4:42:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 tu3031 - Sorry, I didn't see your post when I was typing up the same jab. :)
Posted by Laurence of the Rats  2005-05-02 4:43:51 PM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/]  2005-05-02 4:43:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 They will fly to combat in A-380\'s.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 16:45||   2005-05-02 16:45|| Front Page Top

#59 Six car bombs exploded in separate locations in Baghdad and in the northern city of Mosul . Mission Accomplished. If only Spain had not taken out their one-thousand men we could have won the war by now.
Posted by juriseqs 2005-05-02 4:48:47 PM||   2005-05-02 4:48:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 Comical thread.

juriseqs is desperately trying to start a fight and no one seems to care.

GG is paranoid about the moderator\'s post in this tiny venue, yet blindly trusting the corrupt UN to run the world.

Pretty funny shit.
*applause*
Posted by .com 2005-05-02 17:10||   2005-05-02 17:10|| Front Page Top

#61 Hey, Fred. Looks like someone stole your tag.
I\'m thinking GG.
It\'s not nice to screw with Fred...
Posted by tu3031 2005-05-02 17:17||   2005-05-02 17:17|| Front Page Top

#62 Nothing surprising, asstard. You\'re today\'s entertainment.
Posted by .com 2005-05-02 17:21||   2005-05-02 17:21|| Front Page Top

#63 For Neville and the British WW11 started in 1939 so you can hardly claim that he was an appeaser. I'm neither Islamic or a Nazi and I must say it's quite amuzing to hear right wing Americans accuse people of being a nazi since Bush and his junta are the closest we've seen to the Nazis since 1945. Iraq is a far worse state now than it was pre-illegal invasion, no electricity, poluted water, depleted Uranium and 50% un-employed.

You don't read much history at Oxford, do you GG? Nazis, like you, were Socialists. Every ask why Germany and the Soviet Union were such good allies of convenience, and even invaded Poland a week apart? The main differentiators were the Nazis allowed private companies, but under the strict direction of government (that's called Socialism), and the paramount of race in Nazi ideology. You would have fit in quite well under either Hitler or Stalin. They each had no regard for the truth.

Iraq:
Electricity Prewar: 3600MW with supplies stolen from the rest of the country to feed Baghdad
Electricity Present: >6500MW (2006 goal: 10000MW as plants under construction come online)
http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iraq/181393

Water Prewar: No investment. Non-potable water and open sewers the norm. Many towns had no running water at all.
Water Present: Iraqi Ministry of Water: http://www.iraqi-mwr.org/English.htm
See the lower left for lists of projects under contruction or tender. There are hundreds of multi-million dollar projects, including a $1 billion project.

This in the face of Baathists and Islamists trying to blow up electric and water production. Why is it that your jihadi heroes want to deny electricity to the iraqi people?


Depleted Uranium: The danger of depleted Uranium is mechanical (have a tank shell gop through your body) or chemical. It is a heavy metal (like lead bullets) and should be treated with the same care. If you want to ban bullets, be my guest. Just have your country go first.
Who Report: http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/en/Depluranium4.pdf

Employment Prewar: Gov salaries (a good barometer) about $6/month. (Not counting all the Baathists could steal.)
Employment Present: Gov salaries about $2-300/month and rising fast
From the CIA Factbook:
GDP: purchasing power parity - $89.8 billion (2004 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 52.3% (2004 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $3,500 (2004 est.)
With the economy growing at 50+% a year, it's obvious the USA is raping Iraq for all it's resources.

Enjoy your EUrabia induced stupor into oblivion.
Posted by ed 2005-05-02 17:33||   2005-05-02 17:33|| Front Page Top

#64 "Apologies to Fred,Gromons Gloper2496 doesn\'t work."

So you type in a nym obviously already in use?

You must the the Oxford Town Fool... Or pure Troll.

I'm thinking both.
Posted by .com 2005-05-02 17:38||   2005-05-02 17:38|| Front Page Top

#65 Brits love to bring up the fact that Uncle Sam did not enter WWII until Pearl Harbor. Thats better than the British record. It did not assist the Chinese effort against Japanese invasion until British possessions in the Far East were invaded. Before Pearl Harbor, Uncle Sam had volunteer pilots and huge sums of money invested in the Chinese military to counter Japanese advances.

Britain stayed out of WWII until the Germans invaded France and directly threatened an English Channel crossing (fine from a national interest standpoint, but not exactly the altruistic image Brits have of themselves), and stood by as Poland was partititioned and Czechoslovakia was annexed to Germany, despite British guarantees (fine from a national interest standpoint, but not exactly a model of altruism). By comparison, Uncle Sam spent 80% of its war effort fighting Germany despite never having been attacked by Germany, and never having had any of its territory at risk from German conquest.

Further, Uncle Sam spent big chunks of cash and threw large numbers of men into fighting the Japanese in the Pacific, trying to liberate the Philippines, which was scheduled to become independent, even as Britain sat on its hands and left its East Asian colonies to rot under the depredations of Japanese rule, such that 1 to 2% of those populations were slaughtered.

Of the major combatants involved in WWII, only the US and Canada were not under existential threat. Canada joined in to help the mother country. Over a century ago, Uncle Sam had fought to get the mother country out of his affairs. That the US joined in the fight against Germany is a tribute to Uncle Sams willingness to forgive and forget.
Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei  2005-05-02 18:05|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-05-02 18:05|| Front Page Top

#66 If the comments thread seems discontinuous, it's because I cleaned up after our Oxford tourist, who hasn't been banned at this point -- but also hasn't learned how to debate in a useful way, it would appear.
Posted by rkb 2005-05-02 18:11||   2005-05-02 18:11|| Front Page Top

#67 Don't get me wrong. Brits are good guys. But they are nitpickers, and never get the big picture. They'd rather spend their time trying to make themselves look good and finding fault with others than in getting things done. That's not the American way. We get things done, figure out what went wrong and chalk any mistakes up to inexperience and the typical frictions of coalition warfare. Brits engage in self-glorification, denigrate their allies and learn absolutely nothing from their past mistakes, because they spend so much effort pumping themselves up and sniping at their teammates.
Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei  2005-05-02 18:17|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-05-02 18:17|| Front Page Top

#68 Quote
So its not really the EU's Army, its an army funded and manned by the EU and controlled by the UN, and we all know how dependable, honest and trustworthy the UN is.


Ummmm, isn't that the definition of ''Mercenary'' and aren't those types of armies historicly untrustworthy?
Posted by Angereth Gliling8519 2005-05-02 19:27||   2005-05-02 19:27|| Front Page Top

#69 Angereth? Um, your comment is spot-on, it's your nym. I'm totally jealous. A classy verb? Whoa. I want one, too!
Posted by .com 2005-05-02 19:31||   2005-05-02 19:31|| Front Page Top

#70 Gromons Gloper2496 seems to be a delusional twat, but is there a reason why he/she has been labelled 'TROLL'? I had a quick look in the sinktrap but didn't see anything OTT.
Posted by Bulldog ">Bulldog  2005-05-02 19:41||   2005-05-02 19:41|| Front Page Top

#71 Brits love to bring up the fact that Uncle Sam did not enter WWII until Pearl Harbor. Thats better than the British record.

Delusion abounds tonight, it seems. ;)
Posted by Bulldog ">Bulldog  2005-05-02 19:43||   2005-05-02 19:43|| Front Page Top

#72 Gigi, you picked a bad day to be your first day. Stop in tomorrow and we'll have some fun.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-05-02 19:49||   2005-05-02 19:49|| Front Page Top

#73 Bulldog, I wasn't the moderator who marked GG a TROLL, but I did delete his subsequent posts using Fred's name.

The TROLL designation may have been for his link to the stars and stripes swastika . But I can't say that for sure. The other comments were deleted for deliberately misuing Fred's name to continue a pissing match.
Posted by rkb 2005-05-02 19:52||   2005-05-02 19:52|| Front Page Top

#74 'Twas me wot hit the troll button, and only when he started posting as ''Fred.'' I didn't know at the time that there was a problem with the cookies. When the dust from the code issues settles, perhaps he might come back and we could have a proper debate. My apologies to Gromons Gloper2496 for inconvenience, but using other posters' names is severely frowned upon, and a bannable offence. Particularly if you expropriate Fred's identity.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2005-05-02 20:23||   2005-05-02 20:23|| Front Page Top

#75 Tried to post earlier about GG's statement that ''Neville wasn't an appeaser''. He has always been the definition of appeaser - Munich and peace in our time.
Posted by SR-71 2005-05-02 22:22||   2005-05-02 22:22|| Front Page Top

#76 Pay attention me! Me! Me! I'm posting lame stuff, trying to start an argument! Pay attention to me! Me! Me! Me!
Posted by Jury-sex 2005-05-02 22:54||   2005-05-02 22:54|| Front Page Top

#77 Ah, our replacement 3 yr old has arrived, lol! Welcome! Please remember: only poop in the corner, K?
Posted by .com 2005-05-02 23:10||   2005-05-02 23:10|| Front Page Top

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