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2003-04-23 International

Putin proposes creation of UN-led anti-terror system

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Posted by Tadderly 2003-04-23 04:53 pm|| || Front Page|| [10 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Gak! Given the ... inclinations... of the UN, the first (and only) effort of this organization would be to invade Israel, and turn it into yet another Islamicfascist dictatorship.

Posted by snellenr 2003-04-23 17:21:12|| 2003-04-23 17:21:12|| Front Page Top

#2 Had the Russians done the U.S. job in Iraq Baghdad would look like Grosny now. Nyet spassiba.

Posted by True German Ally 2003-04-23 17:38:24|| 2003-04-23 17:38:24|| Front Page Top

#3 The only thing that this looney idea will produce is a profit for Moscow hotels and caterers.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-04-23 17:44:37|| 2003-04-23 17:44:37|| Front Page Top

#4 Holding my nose, I posit that this President Putin would like nothing better than to have a response team in position to occupy US strategic sites. We need an entirely new International body, where the price of membership includes metrics of valuation to include audits of home country local and national electoral results, human rights and minority rights guarantees, criminal back ground checks of all sitting diplomats, pledges of record to not suppress any religious minority or ethnic minority group residing as citizens of any member country.Open annual audits of all programs with the intent to discover waste fraud and abuse of power and fiduciary responsibility.
All members should have signed Pledges against electoral laws which discrimate against any citizen without regard to race, creed, sex or ethnic origin.

We need a New N, not the old N with expanded powers. The values of our constitution must never be subverted by politcal fiat such as this broadly defined platform despite its cover motive of anti terrorism.

Posted by AnonymousLy yours 2003-04-23 17:49:36|| 2003-04-23 17:49:36|| Front Page Top

#5 While Putin's motives are very suspect, and the Russians are militarily incompetent, his analysis of the situation is correct. Two very unstable countries have nukes. You don't even have to steal a deadly virus anymore, you can just make it from reagents. Anyone (which in practice means everyone) who can make organophosphate fertilizers can make nerve gas. As 9/11 proved there are many parts of our existing infrastructure that can be used as weapons of mass destruction.

A simple solution to these threats exists: turn the planet into one big police state. My gut tells me that this is Putin's vision. I also suspect that it is a vision that a lot of EUnuchs share. The challenge is how to prevent WMD attacks in the future while holding onto our freedoms. When cities start being lost, the people are going to scream for Augustus Caesar. Augustus isn't such a bad deal. He lets the Senate debate, as long as it doesn't pass any real laws. Property rights are respected. Taxes are fair. The problem is that inevitably after Augustus comes Tiberias, then Caligula, etc., ad infinitum.

Putin is the only world leader who has so far painted an accurate picture of the threat (so familiar to readers here). His solution and the solution of his allies like Chirac and Joschka Fischer is ultimately statist and sterile. I have been very frustrated that no Western leader, aside from Berlusconi, has had the courage to state what Putin has. How do we mobilize the free world to fight when their leaders won't address the core issues and instead chose to dance around the unpleasant realities. The one criticism of the Left that rankles the most is the only one that is true. No one in the administration has succinctly identified the core mission of this war. Whether it be from fear of offending Muslim sensibilities or fear of frightening the American electorate, no one in the Bush administration simply stated that our goal is to eliminate failed states, societies and cultures so that they can no longer threaten civilization -- to end the zero-sum game that has been the central meme of so much of the world since the first "god-king" ascended the first throne so many millenia ago.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-04-23 19:22:48|| 2003-04-23 19:22:48|| Front Page Top

#6 EUnuchs, 11A5S?

Actually the EU just a couple days ago sponsored a resolution against human rights violations in Russia, that the US refused to co-sponsor. And given the support by the US of the "police states" in Pakistan and Uzbekistan just because the governments there are supposedly helping you fight terrorism, I don't think there's any sense to attack the *EU* of having such a terrible vision, and not attack the US of the same thing...

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-04-23 19:50:29|| 2003-04-23 19:50:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Aris: So would it be better to let the mad mullahs take over in Pakistan and start sharing their nuclear bombs with their cronies? Sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

I always find it funny how so many Europeans accuse Americans of being so short-sighted and clueless for consorting with repressive regimes. Yet so many of the police states we've sponsored end up being prosperous democracies. Korea, Greece, Turkey, Chile, Panama, Taiwan. Sometimes it takes us forty years or so, but we usually get there. Do ya think that maybe we actually have a plan and institutions to effect that change? Institutions that have been around for the last 50 years or so? The sophisticated Euros are too blind to see. Yet every one of those institutions operates overtly.

I'm not accusing either the Euros or Russians of wanting a totalitarian police state. My analogy, if you remember, was Augustus Caesar and his rather mellow form of police state. You start with Augustus, you end up with Caligula with his informers, summary executions, and madness.

While I appreciate European efforts to bring peace and human rights through resolutions, what I remember is a picture of a Dutch soldier outside Srbrenica. He's crying. Do you know why? Because his commander just told the Serbs he would not interfere with them while they rounded up the Muslims in the town. Some things, Aris, you have to be ready to die for. I don't know if anyone in continental Europe is willing to die for anything anymore. They certainly weren't in Yugoslavia. So you all keep on passing resolutions. We'll keep liberating prisoners from the dungeons of the Mukhabarat with Yankee blood and treasure. In the end, we'll see who frees more. Good night.

Posted by 11A5S 2003-04-23 22:58:09|| 2003-04-23 22:58:09|| Front Page Top

#8 Well this is nice. Proposing yet another task for the UN to screw up.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-04-23 23:23:23|| 2003-04-23 23:23:23|| Front Page Top

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