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2006-04-12 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-04-12 03:57|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "People can question my judgment or his (Rumsfeld's) judgment," Pace said. "But they should never question the dedication, the patriotism and the work ethic of Secretary Rumsfeld."

Excellent. Turning the liberal's "don't you DARE question my patriotism" mantra around on them. Let's see how they wriggle out of THAT one, then apply the method they use against their darlings.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2006-04-12 08:32|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2006-04-12 08:32|| Front Page Top

#2 But I cant think of any serious critique that attacks Rummys patriotism. Hes called (rightly or wrongly) arrogant and incompetent, not unpatriotic.

Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-12 11:11|| 2006-04-12 11:11|| Front Page Top

#3 Rummy changed the way the arm forces does business and it pissed people off, they need to get over it and if they don't like it they become Sec of Defense and change it.

Posted by djohn66 2006-04-12 12:56|| 2006-04-12 12:56|| Front Page Top

#4 you nailed it john.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 13:20|| 2006-04-12 13:20|| Front Page Top

#5 you nailed it john.

Ya sure. Whatever floats your boat. What speaks volumes is when a former combat general, who served in Iraq, like Major General John Batiste, criticizes Rummy for not providing sound military planning. Ouch.

But of course, Batiste is one of those who "doesn't get it", so he doesn't count.

Posted by Thutle Ebbavish1322 2006-04-12 16:35|| 2006-04-12 16:35|| Front Page Top

#6 know lots of 07's do you TE? Just like everyone else they bitch about their bosses.

The difference between me and you is that you seem to think its breathless news that the Generals bitch about the decisions by the Sec Def. OOooh newsflash - not all decisions were popular or perfect. I feel faint.

I saw Zinny on CNN the other day and couldn't help thinking of McClellan.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 16:53|| 2006-04-12 16:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Wasn't Lincoln throwing genrals out left and right, boy they sure bitched, nobody threw Lincoln out of office because of it. You don't have to like the boss but you better do what he sez.

Posted by djohn66 2006-04-12 17:00|| 2006-04-12 17:00|| Front Page Top

#8 ok...in the editing I left out "and above". Wasnt' gonna fix it, cause I figured TE wouldn't catch it anyway, but I just know someone is going to correct me. bah.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 17:02|| 2006-04-12 17:02|| Front Page Top

#9 dj - yeah, they all thought they knew better too. If I were these guys, I'd wait a bit to see how the winds blow before I'd go spouting off about how much better things would have turned out if they'd only done it my way.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 17:13|| 2006-04-12 17:13|| Front Page Top

#10 Funny thing is, I wonder if history will view them like McClellan. If McClellan had done his job properly, the war would have been over quickly. But his personal beliefs got in the way and prevented him from achieving decisive victories at the beginning of the war which allowed the south a chance to organize and believe they could at the very least, win concessions by continuing to fight. The end result was that McClellan's wimpiness made the war last much, much longer than it needed to and resulted in many unnecessary deaths, all for the same end result.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 17:21|| 2006-04-12 17:21|| Front Page Top

#11 you seem to think its breathless news that the Generals bitch about the decisions by the Sec Def. OOooh newsflash - not all decisions were popular or perfect.

Didn't happen with the Vietnam-era generals. And they had a bit more reason to complain. I wonder why it's happening now.

But, sure, 2b knows his stuff. At least, he knows much more than Batiste.

Posted by Thutle Ebbavish1322 2006-04-12 17:29|| 2006-04-12 17:29|| Front Page Top

#12 Oh and, forgot to mention, Batiste is obviously a Democrat, like McClellan was. So obviously, my original assertion stands. Not everyone in the armed services "gets it".

Posted by Thutle Ebbavish1322 2006-04-12 17:35|| 2006-04-12 17:35|| Front Page Top

#13 Didn't happen with the Vietnam-era generals. And they had a bit more reason to complain. I wonder why it's happening now.

sooo your point is what? That you wonder? Hmmmm ..... I point my finger to my chin and ponder. Care to make a point or are just going to "wonder".

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 17:35|| 2006-04-12 17:35|| Front Page Top

#14 My point is, genius, that in this circumstance and context it is news when a former combat general criticizes Rumsfeld, and one that served in Iraq no less.

Posted by Thutle Ebbavish1322 2006-04-12 17:38|| 2006-04-12 17:38|| Front Page Top

#15 ok. And it was news when McClellan did it to. In fact it wasn't just news, it made the history books. McClellan's insubordination is credited with losing the opportunity to put a quick end to the war and resulting in many lost lives.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 17:47|| 2006-04-12 17:47|| Front Page Top

#16 I'm always skeptical of Generals who criticize after the fact. I'm not so sure they did everything to carry out the mission that they possibly could because they disagreed with the mission to begin with. The problem with McCellan was he was so afraid of losing and he believed the wildy inflated reports of Confederate strength that he couldn't possibly win. I think some of these ex-generals are like that.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2006-04-12 19:44|| 2006-04-12 19:44|| Front Page Top

#17 Yeah, the republican ones are okay.

Posted by Clasing Greremble8635 2006-04-12 23:15|| 2006-04-12 23:15|| Front Page Top

#18 You are still not getting it, Rummy is the boss, these generals didn't want to listen to him, they got fired now they are whining about it. McArthur was popular general too, but he pissed off the boss guess what got fired.

Posted by djohn66 2006-04-12 23:30|| 2006-04-12 23:30|| Front Page Top

#19 Poor Clasing, he doesn't get out much and only sees the world in terms of Democrats v/s Republicans. Almost cute in its childish, naive, simplicity.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 23:59|| 2006-04-12 23:59|| Front Page Top

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